Divine Conversations: The Intersection of Spirituality and Humanity

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And you will see that in the
Vedic astrology era right now,

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they're calling it the Goddess
age, right?

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Don't be afraid of that.
Please don't be afraid of that.

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The Goddess age is, if we truly
understand it, a realisation

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that the Goddess does not work
without the God and that we need

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to go back to not hating each
other and understanding that we

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choose to be feminine or
masculine.

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But we can also tap into the
other energies.

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If your job is not serving you,
if your lifestyle is not serving

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you, you need to ask for help
with your spirit guides or your

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angels because you're not
serving the women in your life

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or your children in your life.
If you are doing something

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because you have to, but you are
smothering your soul, you are

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destroying your sense of self.
Hello and welcome to Real Men

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Feel.
I'm your host, author, coach and

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healer, Andy Grant.
You can learn more about me by

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visiting the andygrant.com.
Real Men Feel reminds men that

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they're human beings and have
the right to experience and

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express all of their emotions.
We have conversations that most

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men are not having, but that all
men and the women who love them

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can benefit from.
My guest today is Katish

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Haberfield.
Katich is a past life aggression

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therapist, author, medium, poet,
and direct channeler of divine

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feminine and divine masculine
energies.

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Katich takes us on a deep dive
into channelling the archangels

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and the divine feminine and
masculine.

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She opens up about how
uncomfortable she's been as a

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channeler, the differences
between channels, psychics and

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mediums, and her experience in
body selection before she was

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born.
She also shares what she's most

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concerned about for her sake of
her sons and has a message for

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the men of the world.
Let's do it.

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Hello Katish, and welcome to
Real Men Feel.

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Hi Andy.
Thanks for having me.

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It's, it's a pleasure.
I'm, I'm really looking forward

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to this conversation.
You're a Chandler of divine

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feminine and masculine energies.
So what brings a person to that?

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Was there a pivotal moment in
your life that that put you on

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this path?
Lots and lots of different

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things all came together.
But I guess probably my work in

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the fields of understanding how
to communicate with our

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ancestors and our loved ones who
haven't made it to the afterlife

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is probably the the main thing
that led to my training to be

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able to channel.
Because I had to learn

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fundamentally how to communicate
with those who were desperate

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for help and who were stuck in
the in between realms before I

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could learn to hear a higher
vibration.

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So I had to learn to work with
and facilitate those in extreme

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distress and attune my body to
that vibration, which is, you

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know, quite a shock to the
system.

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Before I could, you know, prove
myself through the service that

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I've done, through helping all
of the stocks, souls and

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individuals to go to the light
so that they would trust that I

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was, I had good intentions and
that I had and could trust

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myself to bring through a
message.

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Because I don't know if your
listeners know much about

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channelling, but I've learned
through watching other people

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and there are amazing
individuals who channel like

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Basha who actually move
themselves aside and then the

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entity embodies in their and
they have their eyes closed.

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And so the channeller is a
basically it's like a semi state

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of consciousness.
They don't remember the

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conversation at all in any way,
shape or form.

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And you can talk to somebody.
And I've never seen Basher in

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real life, only watch him on
YouTube.

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But you know, he waits, He's not
wakes up.

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He comes back into his body and
he goes, did that help?

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He's got no recollection.
And he watches back the video

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afterwards and says, oh, OK,
that's interesting.

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I'll take some notes for myself.
But so I stay, I could teach,

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stay in my body.
And I have to use my mental

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capacities and spiritual
capacities to interpret the

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messages that I'm getting
simultaneously.

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So it's the divine feminine
masculine basically uses my

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knowledge and my skill set and
my set of life circumstances to

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explain and use examples rather
than me being pushed aside and

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then just saying, right, I'm
taking over the session and this

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is what I want you to use.
It's, it's more of AI.

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Guess it's how they help me
understand what I chose to come

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in in this lifetime to do and
what I've chosen to do in other

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lifetimes.
And it can be quite confronting

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and offer on I will say things
and I'm like, right, something

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like that.
Or I didn't know that we were

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going to say that in this show.
But it's always with good

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intention and it's how I learn
and I validate and I check

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things that I've learned on TV
and newspapers and magazines and

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books that I've read since my
early 20s to test is this

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spiritual concept or this life
concept?

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Does it resonate with me?
Does it match my experience?

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And I'm a real mentalist, like a
really logical and rational

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person.
And so for me, it has been quite

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the struggle to say, you know,
I'm a manager at consultant, I'm

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a university lecturer, and I
like forms and processes and

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procedures and strategies.
And this has to use a whole

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different part of my brain, a
whole different consciousness.

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And I'm really uncomfortable
with it.

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But I have to fight my inner
fear and trust that it knows

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where it wants to go.
So it's a long way of answering

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your question, but I hope that's
a good enough start to get the

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conversation flowing.
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And so I really appreciate the
specifics about channeling.

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So channeling is allowing in
another energy to come into your

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body either fully or partially
to communicate whatever they

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have to say.
Because I wanted to ask, for the

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sake of everyone listening, if
you could explain the difference

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between a channel, a psychic and
a medium.

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Yeah, good question.
So, you know, people can only

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explain it in their own terms.
And a medium to me is somebody

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who is like a radio signal, like
a radio antenna or a mobile

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phone tower, if you want to.
They can sense different

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frequencies that wish to
communicate with them.

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And now not all frequencies that
are well-intentioned.

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And some might have messages.
Some are different thought forms

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that are floating around.
You know, thoughts go through

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the ether, through the air, and
sometimes they're not even amps.

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But a meeting specifically sets
an intention and says, well,

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hopefully I wish to be of
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I feel there's energy around me
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Let me do my procedures.
Let me make sure I'm safe.

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You're not allowed to come into
my energy field, but I can sense

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your energy.
What do you have to say Now?

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I'll open the door to
communication with you and

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please identify yourself.
And so depending upon your

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mediumship skills, and this is
no reflection on other mediums,

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but I found it frustrating when
I was going and watching live

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mediumship sessions and, you
know, registering for people's

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paid events that they would come
through with are getting a

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letter A.
And this person here is for

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someone in the audience and it's
like a grandma figure.

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I was like, I need more than
that, you know, like, why can't

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you bring through sentences and
full instructions and whatever.

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The thing is, they're doing the
best that they can.

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But because I'm such a, if you'd
like to say a masculine energy

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in a female body, meaning in the
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I'm a very protective, goal
focused, results orientated

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person.
And so I'm like, if I'm going to

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breakthrough a message, I don't
want it to be waffly.

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I want people to understand my
communication and they're coming

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to me because they have a
problem to solve.

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But yet I'm also this time
around a female.

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And so I struggle with the fact
that in my own past life

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regression sessions, I've
brought through mostly males to

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learn the art of what it feels
like to be masculine, The

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challenges that I have felt in
other lifetimes.

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So that when I come in and do a
mediaship session, I can go, oh,

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that's a man.
And I know easily because I know

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that energy I've I've tapped
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I've experienced some looking at
the back of your sign there

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warrior lifetimes, some king
lifetimes, some magician

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lifetimes and some feminine more
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And so my training has been
learning about myself so that I

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can identify in signs and
symbols, colors and codes also

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quadrants in my mind what is the
message, who is saying it and

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how can I be the most direct
because I also don't like to

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waste people's time for psychic.
You can in my best way to to

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explain it is that a psychic has
an intention to read the energy

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around them and help the person
bring through wisdom.

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But a psychic usually is
involved with reading the energy

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of the person.
So say for you, Andy came to me

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and said, can you tell me what's
going on in my life at the

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moment?
A psychic might say, sure, give

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me a minute.
And some psychics can read auras

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or, you know, they can do all
sorts of different things.

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So they get messages from you,
the person, rather than your

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archangels or your deceased
grammar or somebody who's stuck

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or whoever it is.
So that's how I put it in three

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categories is what's the
intention of the message?

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Are you reading the energy of
the person in front of you?

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Or is there a message that comes
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Or is it for humanity's purpose?
So I try to box it.

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And, you know, I, I mean, my
first training was a management

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consultant.
So I like dot flow diagrams and

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charts.
And I can't figure out how to do

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that.
I've tried many times to to go

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on different software tools and
explain things via diagrams, but

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I still can't work it out
because it's too airy and

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fluffy.
But I hope that sort of

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compartmentalises it for people
who are listening, that there

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are different boxes and
depending upon our intention and

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what the person needs for a
session or a message, you can

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categorize them into different
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But also, I do believe that
every single person on earth has

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the capacity to be any of those.
A psychic, a medium, a psychic

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medium, and a shower.
But it depends upon the body

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that they choose when they come
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Not all bodies are the same.
And we choose the body for the

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purpose.
And what is it here that what is

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it that we're here for?
Do we need to learn those

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skills?
And mostly, I believe psychic

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skills can both commonly be used
for ourself in terms of

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understanding intuition and
those gut responses which say,

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am I safe or am I not?
And so I would say to people who

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are listening, you are psychic
when you say I need to stop at

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this light or I'm going to turn
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here.
Or maybe I need to run back in

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and get my wallet.
And I might just sit down for a

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minute because I think there's a
reason why I left my wallet and

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I hit my house.
And meanwhile, by leaving your

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wallet in your house, maybe you
missed the drunk driver, or

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maybe you had to catch a later
bus and the love of your life

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ended up being on that bus.
Who knows?

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But your psychic skills are
predominantly there to connect

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you with your intuition and your
higher self so that you can say

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I'm OK, basically.
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

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I I tell people all the time
that everybody is psychic.

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It's just you accept it.
Do you believe it?

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Do you use it?
Do you exercise it, build on it.

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But yeah, that that that base
ability is available to to

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everybody.
So you also, you have a

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connection with the Archangels
and I really want to know how,

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how do you experience that?
Is that a energy takeover?

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Is that a visual thing?
Is it hearing what they're

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saying?
What, what?

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What is it like for you?
I smile here because it's mostly

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a lot of a very casual
communication.

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It's banter because what they
have showed me through my

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training is that they that they
have tried to communicate with

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me in many lifetimes with many
levels of success.

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And so predominantly in this
lifetime, it was they were here

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sort of a transition facility to
say radio, let's move you on,

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cast us.
But to be honest with you, Andy,

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I've identified most with
Archangel Michael and that's not

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a surprise because most people
when you say in Archangel's

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name, they'll come up with
Archangel Michael, right?

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They'll go Archangel Michael,
Archangel Raphael, Archangel,

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whoever comes to the tongue.
And because he's seen as the

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protector and he is a religious
figure, a biblical figure, but

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he's also more than that.
And so my job in this lifetime

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has been to learn to let go of
him.

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And that has been quite a
frightening experience for me

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because I've had to undergo lots
of training.

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That is not the purpose of this
podcast, but in a, a therapy

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called spirit releasement
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But as part of that, I've had to
learn to call in angelic

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assistance to help me whilst
I've had my training wheels on,

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so to speak, because I was like,
I need to understand fear and

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what it means for a human being
to be afraid, whether they are

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male or female.
And who's the strongest person

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that I can get to show me?
Well in Archangel Michael

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because you know, he's the one
who slayed the serpent or the

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devil or whatever you want to do
as your religious memory.

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And so he was my main Archangel
to connect with, but also he was

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wanting to work with other
people.

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But because we worked together
in so many different lifetimes,

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we have a sort of a buddy,
buddy, brother, brother, kind of

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a feeling.
And so he banters and I didn't

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know this and still I started
doing class regression, class

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life regression therapy.
And my clients would bring him

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through and he would, they would
explain to me what he looked

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like.
And it wasn't like the religious

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iconography.
He came to them in their

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sessions.
And he's always presented to me

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as a like Fred Astaire in
Singing in the Rain, with a full

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black suit, top hat and tails.
And he's dancing and he always

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makes me laugh and he always
makes my clients laugh.

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And he's sarcastic.
And it has made me question, is

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this really Archangel Michael?
Nobody else sees him like that.

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And he showed me the different
ways that other people have seen

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him.
But he's like, I have to be true

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to our relationship.
And part of the test in this

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lifetime is if you can determine
a fake spirit guide or a real

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one, including archangels.
And I've come across fake

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archangels.
And I can tell you it's nasty

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because the purpose of that is
partly with your intuition,

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intuition and guidance to say
what is going on around me.

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Do I trust this wisdom that is
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And so I have had lifetimes
where I have been a Roman and

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Archangel Zac Kyle has come
through and he's shown me to

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shown himself to me in a Roman
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And he's he laughs.
And I've said it on a podcast,

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too, where he says I spent the
entire lifetime trying to get

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you to see the destruction you
were causing through the battles

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that new Romans were using to
conquest other lands.

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But I also understand that's
just part of being masculine.

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You conquer, you protect, you
explore.

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You've got this real urge to see
what the world's about and what

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is out there and how you can
have a bigger property, how you

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can feed your children, how you
can have more satisfaction in

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your life.
But I couldn't get through to

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you in that lifetime.
And each time I've tried a

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different way.
And this time I'm going to

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dovetail, if you wish to use
that word on the back of

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Archangel Michael.
And he will bring him through.

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He will bring through my
essence.

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And we'll do it through your
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Release and pass off regression
therapy clients and on your

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podcast.
But also you need to remember

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that you're a female in this
lifetime and life has brought

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you a lot of challenges and
you're a single mum.

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You've been a single mum for a
long time after a divorce.

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And you need to learn that you
embody both masculine and

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feminine aspects within your
role of being in a female suit.

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Because like any man who is a
single dad, you also have to be

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a nurturer.
So you have feminine qualities.

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You have to be masculine in that
you need to protect, but also a

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female does protect your child
as well.

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So you need to understand in
this lifetime that you embody

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both the feminine and the
masculine.

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And in order to do that, you
need to do a little bit of work

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with Archangel, and then we're
going to move you on to somebody

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else.
So I hope that answers your

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question.
So is that why in the beginning

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you said even though we have
this great relationship with

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Archangel Michael and you have
this banter, but it was your

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mission to let go of him, so you
need to let go of him to move

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into your femininity?
Yeah, because now they want me

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to work with it, with both the
divine feminine, dovine

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masculine in different ways, but
they like, you're a female in

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this lifetime.
Do you get it?

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You know, have a look at
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Go look, take your clothes off.
Look in the mirror.

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You're a female.
You're not a male.

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We've let you experience all of
your masculine in a lifetime.

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So you can understand and
appreciate the masculine in your

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life.
Because you have two sons,

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right?
You don't have a husband.

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You didn't get along with your
husband.

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That's fine.
There was a comic relationship.

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It served its purpose.
You're not bagging him, but

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you're by yourself now.
You don't have to be the man,

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you're the finger.
So.

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And we want to show you how to
embody the energies so you can

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honor.
So if humanity can see, yes, we

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choose a body suit, but it's a
confusing time and we all

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naturally have to move in and
out of masculine and feminine

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roles, no matter what our body
suit is.

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And so you have it's the last 10
years in a real warrior kind of

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AI must protect, I must expand
and I mustn't conquer my mind to

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understand what I'm here for.
And now they're like, OK, you

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ready to be conditioned?
She's a girl.

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You ready?
Like no.

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Does that mean I have to lose
Archangel Michael?

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Yes, He's he's comes to you as a
bloke.

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He's a masculine energy.
And I've I've cried and

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screamed, no, I can't do it.
You can't leave me.

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And here, come here.
Are you ready yet?

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No, and finally I'm ready and
I've let him go, but he's still

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there if I need him.
Right.

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Yeah.
And, and he's there for anybody

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that needs him, right?
That's right.

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Yeah.
You just have to speak in your

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mind or out loud, and they're
there for you.

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But they don't like to be used
as a clutch.

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And that's what they're trying
to show me.

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They're there if they need,
because there's a world of

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interesting, beautiful
frequencies and light beings

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that also have messages, and
they want us to learn that

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expansion can go through the
frequency of love, not fear.

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Is every woman channelling the
divine feminine and is every man

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channelling the divine
masculine?

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Or is the divinity versions of
that different from just walking

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around day-to-day in this human
suit?

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Yeah.
So there's two concepts here. 1

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is that you're not the body that
you're in because we actually do

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select our body before we come
into this life.

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And so it's a well when we go to
the between lives sessions with

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my clients, so you know, they
leave their body, they see the

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spirit float up on high, they do
a body, a life review and then

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we can take them to the soul
cancel and they choose their

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next lifetime.
So it's a huge long checklist.

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But in the human mind, we see it
in a period of 20 minutes,

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right?
And when we do the body

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selection process, my mind just
goes tip, Yep, she took that one

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off the suit, off the suit rack.
And actually she, she, you know,

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had three options.
But I really didn't understand

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it in all honesty, Andy, until
this morning in the middle of

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the night.
They explained my body selection

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choice.
And I'll keep that private.

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But there were certain reasons
that I chose my body and to come

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in female this time because it
actually had to do with

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ancestral issues that I am
helping heal through both sides

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of my family.
And I didn't know that until the

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middle of the night until they
showed me very clearly where my

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body stores fear.
So the body is chosen to help

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you.
And so because the body that you

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choose and it it to be honest, I
haven't done somebody who's

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changed gender or who comes in
with gender dysmorphous or some

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kind of a struggle with their
physical identity.

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I haven't had clients like that.
So I can't tell you for people

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with all the different
experiences of, of wanting to be

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a different gender.
But I know for people that come

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in as a female and are happy
with being a female, or come in

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as a male and are happy as being
a male and don't wish to change

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that, that implicit in the body
of the suit that they choose is

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the divine feminine and the
divine masculine.

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But The thing is that we have to
understand that we are not our

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body, we are spirit.
And spirit is essential.

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Essentially doesn't have a label
that we humans call masculine or

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feminine, but it has qualities.
And so Archangel Michael could

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put on a dress if you liked, and
he would put it on happily if

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that's the way you needed to see
it.

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But we humans are complex, and
we use our mind to create

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pictures.
And so it really just does

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depend upon who you have chosen
to be in this lifetime.

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But yeah, you are your essence,
and your essence is not your

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name and it's not who you are.
It's more than that.

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It's a composite of all the
lifetimes you have ever had and

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all the personalities.
And it's just so hard to

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explain, but you just have to
trust that you have access to

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whatever energy you need to help
you understand who you are at

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precisely the right time, even
if it feels like it's precisely

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the wrong time.
But yeah, is is that part of the

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the key that that many people
don't use?

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You must, you must ask or you
must take some sort of effort,

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do something consciously to
access the the energies that are

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different, that are, that are in
you, in, in the moment for

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whatever is needed next.
Yeah.

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So my, my higher self would say
you need not to learn not to be

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stubborn as Katish.
And it's taken her nearly 50

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years to ask for help in any
shape or form.

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So it's a part of that is yes,
they are always surrounding you

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and they are here to help.
But we have free will.

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And so they are bound by how you
determine free will and if you

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made contracts before you came
down to help a person or do a

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thing that contracts in your own
mind.

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And so they kind of look, if you
imagine they had a great big

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scroll or a checklist, right?
I know this soul, this is her

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essence.
So I know that in this lifetime

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she is a Tish.
She could be Alfred in another

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lifetime.
But right now I'm with her in

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this moment in time, in the
constraints of Earth.

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And according to my energy
signatures that I can see for

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her, she said she wants to do
this, this and this, but she's

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stuck and I can help her.
I'm standing right next to her,

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right in front of her, and she
cannot for the life of her say

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out loud, I need some help.
And so for some people, it's

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simply getting to a point and
maybe they take their whole

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lifetime to do it.
That says help.

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And then they would say, dear,
who do you want help from?

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And maybe you yell out and then
you'll like to your mum or your

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grandma or somebody, and if
they're in the sky or the ether,

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they will respond with a message
or a dream or whatever.

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But what they want us to
understand is we are always

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surrounded by the ancestors, the
angels, all the different light

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beings, and all of them can help
us.

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But the one that you cry out in
your most afraid moments and

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moments of distress is the one
that you resonate with at that

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time of fear.
And that energy will come

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forward and help you.
But they also want you to move

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through your fear and understand
that you might be holding them

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back a bit because they have
other things they want to do,

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even angels and archangels and
other experiences they want to

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experience.
And when you move past fear, you

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can say, oh, Dad, I love you and
I know you're in the light, but

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can you find an Angel to help me
right now?

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And then I'll come in and dance
in front of you or do whatever

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they want.
And then you're like, oh, I know

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that energy signature.
And so now next time I need

449
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,560
help, I'll say, OK, Joe,
Michael, can you help me?

450
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,040
He was like, here I am.
I was already here.

451
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,840
All right, Now show me how you
can help me.

452
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,440
Well, and different people say,
well, he put a feather in front

453
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,800
of me or he stopped a truck
running into me, or he's made a

454
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,520
rainbow appear or whatever it
is.

455
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,040
But it's a process that you work
through according to your mind

456
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,200
and your experiences.
And I think I've completely

457
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,560
lost, lost the point in my
question.

458
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,960
But yes, we can be involved with
any energy that we like.

459
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,880
Yeah, I often say that often
times the the bravest thing you

460
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,000
can do is ask for help.
And when I share that I'm

461
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,360
usually not thinking about
connecting to, to angels, but

462
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,640
you're putting out, yes, that
works with, with the Archangels

463
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,640
as well.
So that that's great.

464
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,400
Do you find that men and women
experience spirituality

465
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440
differently or do they carry
different spiritual wounds?

466
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,920
Or like are all humanly the same
or men and women different

467
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,880
spirit in spiritual for the sake
of spirituality since.

468
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Yeah, so look, I've had
lifetimes as a female.

469
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,280
This is the only way to know how
to answer that.

470
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,840
Where I've been a warrior like
personality, you know, like a

471
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960
Viking queen, I've had as a past
life memory.

472
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,840
And so does she embody the
essence of just a female?

473
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,120
Well, yes, I saw her crown when
I went in.

474
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,680
I did an Akashic record session
and it was a very delicate, very

475
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,120
fragile, beautiful, petite
little crown.

476
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,240
She was fierce, you know, she,
she would be scary to run into

477
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,400
in a pub in a, in a on a dark
stormy night because she was

478
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,000
brave and bold.
And so she embodied who she

479
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
needed to be in that lifetime.
And she experienced spirituality

480
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,080
through nature because that was
the time.

481
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,520
And, you know, she was also a
conqueror and a protector.

482
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680
So it really just does depend
upon the lifetime and what you

483
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,280
are actually here for because
you could also be in, I haven't

484
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,080
discovered this for myself, but
like a Disney kind of a Princess

485
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,680
and have some kind of a cared
for pampered female existence or

486
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,640
a care for masculine Prince like
existence.

487
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,680
And why don't I remember that if
everybody goes through similar

488
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
sort of experiences.
And the answer that I've only

489
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,160
been able to access is because
in those lifetimes, if I was

490
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,120
pampered for, if I was cared
for, if I was loved and I went

491
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,600
to the light at the end of my
life and I was satisfied, then

492
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,960
that is a beautiful experience
for the soul and there was

493
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,640
nothing to be healed.
Whereas if I've had and can

494
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720
access a memory in the cache
records or through past life

495
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,240
professional or through running
poultry, or however you remember

496
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,240
the essence of yourself in
another lifetime that is coming

497
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,400
through either for two reasons.
One, there's some knowledge or

498
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,080
wisdom that you need to tap into
that is relevant for you in this

499
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,240
lifetime.
Or B, there's some unfinished

500
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,520
business and some unhealing
business that either their body

501
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,880
that they'd chose in that
lifetime couldn't cope with or

502
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,760
they didn't get finished with,
or they haven't gone to the

503
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560
light and they're still in the
middle of a process of a review

504
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,280
because they need to tell
somebody.

505
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080
This happened to me and it
wasn't OK.

506
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,160
And I regret what happened and I
took this action action.

507
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,480
And I'm still stuck here because
I'm worried about it.

508
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,120
And I don't want you to do the
same thing.

509
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,520
And you are me and I'm
frightened for you because I

510
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,240
don't think you your I don't
think how greatest soul has

511
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
learnt the lesson yet.
And I don't want you to repeat

512
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640
the mistake.
So to answer your question

513
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,960
again, and it seems frustrating
to, to say it, we can be both

514
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
and everything and only one if
we need to be.

515
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,240
But it is really, really
personal.

516
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,800
And it's only an answer that you
can answer when you say help,

517
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,960
you know, who am I?
Why am I here?

518
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Why am I struggling?
Why am I not seeing results?

519
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,360
And sometimes Archangel Michael
will say to me, remember, you

520
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,160
need to do 50% of the effort,
which is part of the last

521
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720
question, which is have you
tried?

522
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,480
You know, sometimes, sometimes I
will do, I'll get to the end of

523
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
the day and I'll say, I'll throw
my hands up in the air and I'll

524
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,120
say, how do you get done what I
wanted to do today?

525
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560
And they'll say, all right, talk
me through what you did today.

526
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Oh, I did a load of washing.
I took my kid to the doctor.

527
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640
I did the bus run.
I did the grocery shop.

528
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,000
I did a podcast interview.
I went on somebody else's

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760
podcast.
And I still didn't get to do my

530
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,400
social media posts to attract a
client.

531
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,040
And they're like, did you just
follow?

532
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Did you write a list?
And I'm like, no, because I

533
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,880
followed what needed to be done.
And they said, well, that's all

534
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,800
you meant to do ever follow.
The first thing that you need to

535
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,240
do that says this is urgent.
You know, it's like the old

536
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,120
prime management systems.
It's like you can have lots of

537
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,560
different buckets.
What's urgent?

538
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,680
What's going to burn down your
house on fire?

539
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
What what feels like, oh, I
can't do that today.

540
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,640
I don't want to do it.
It's a real push.

541
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,040
And what sounds like, oh, that's
a lovely thing.

542
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,360
I'd like to, I'll just, you
know, and then there's the, oh,

543
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,960
I have to do that.
And so in every moment, with

544
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,800
every choice we make, we go, oh,
I should do that.

545
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,080
And if I go, oh, I should do a
post on social media, they're

546
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,200
like, the person is going to
feel that, oh, you know what I

547
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,880
mean?
And they're going to go, that's

548
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,560
not genuine, That's not
authentic.

549
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,360
And for me, my number one value
across all lifetimes has been

550
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,800
authenticity.
And so they're like, well, you

551
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,240
can try and put it up.
They'll post if you feel

552
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,080
obligated to do it, do it.
And see if you get crickets and

553
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,480
I get crickets and they're like,
right, well, was it the right

554
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,040
time?
Was it?

555
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,120
So you're blaming and chastising
yourself for just doing family

556
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,240
related things.
Well, because that's what you

557
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,000
needed to do.
And part of being spiritual

558
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,320
being is to know that you are
both a spiritual being and a

559
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,360
human being.
And once we're told by lots of

560
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,120
gurus to be a being, we are also
a doing as well.

561
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,880
We have to do.
Otherwise we could all lie down

562
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,120
on the couch and just go, I'm
ready to die.

563
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,840
But if you try to do that, if
you just said I've had enough

564
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,280
today and I just want to die
right now, you can't.

565
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Right, that's right.
Yeah, I've tried that.

566
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,640
It doesn't work.
Yeah, I've tried it too.

567
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080
It doesn't work right.
I said I've not enough, Come and

568
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,240
take me.
And they're like, OK, close your

569
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,840
eyes and say I'm ready to die.
Did it work?

570
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,640
No.
Right.

571
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Well, there's not time for you
to tell.

572
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,080
You still haven't done any jobs,
right.

573
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080
OK.
So you, you mentioned Akashic

574
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,920
records and so I, I've done
Akashic record readings for a

575
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,840
dozen years now and that's the
closest my experience is opening

576
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,000
the record for someone else is
the closest I have to a

577
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,240
channeling experience because I
do feel my energy change.

578
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,160
I feel the vibration rise and I
often don't remember what was

579
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440
said.
Some, some people have told me

580
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,720
that I spoke with accents or did
some weird, you know why you

581
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360
weren't just, it's, it's not me.
So that's the, it's like closest

582
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,760
thing I've had to channeling.
So you, I know you have two

583
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280
sons.
So what's your biggest concern

584
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
for them as you look at the
state of the world today?

585
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Well, it's a good question.
And I remember going, so just a

586
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120
little bit of a story.
When I was going through my

587
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
divorce, I found myself spending
a lot of time in a Buddhist

588
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360
monastery, right?
And I went to a Film Festival.

589
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,160
I had a little mini Film
Festival one evening and I

590
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,360
remember watching it was about
men's rituals to mark the

591
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960
passage of time, to mark
becoming a man.

592
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
And I went up to the film
director at the end and I said

593
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,640
I'm a single mum.
Unfortunately their dad works

594
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920
away.
He has to for his work, he has

595
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800
to support us and he's chosen
that.

596
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,280
It's it lights him up, it sets
his soul on fire.

597
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,200
He's really good at it and he
can't be in a city so he can't

598
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,160
be near us.
And I've honoured that.

599
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,880
But I also know that I've tried,
but I'm a female and I'm worried

600
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,800
about when I get to the time
that traditionally in

601
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,120
traditional societies there
would be some kind of an

602
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,080
initiation which said to them,
you are now a man.

603
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,640
And I'm like, I'm a woman.
And at that time my dad had just

604
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000
died of prostate cancer.
And I knew even then at that

605
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080
time that prostate cancer is
both a physical disease but it

606
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,880
was also a spiritual sign that
there is something up in your

607
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:57,560
life which said I am a man, but
I have also felt displaced in my

608
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
body in this lifetime.
I've felt that I had to do

609
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,800
something to earn an income.
And I, he said to me many times,

610
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
I feel like a square peg in a
right round hole.

611
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,280
And so I would say in the last
few years of his life, he was

612
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,560
excellent, excellent, fantastic
at his job and he got great

613
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,639
fulfilment.
But it came with a lot of

614
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,679
struggle and sweat and things
that he didn't wish to have

615
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,000
chosen for his personal
experience.

616
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
But he had a wife and he had two
daughters and he had things that

617
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520
he wanted to achieve for them.
And he also had a wife who had a

618
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,080
whole section of things that she
had missed out on in her

619
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,800
children childhood that she
wanted for her children.

620
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,800
So there was that balance and
that compromise.

621
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,159
Oh, my wife wants this.
I don't really care about that

622
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,280
aspect, but it's really, really
important for her.

623
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,800
So I have to make sacrifices.
And for us he had to move into a

624
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,239
new country to puff New Guinea,
a third world country to earn an

625
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,760
income.
And I had to go to boarding

626
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
school.
And he had, we had gone on the

627
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,320
tour of the boarding school,
which was unrenovated the year

628
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
before they left for PNG.
And he just joked he was a real

629
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,760
joker but people didn't get his
sense of humour.

630
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,920
You either got him or you
didn't.

631
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,680
And our own being saying to me,
oh, if you're naughty girl could

632
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,640
teach, we'll send you to
boarding school like it was just

633
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,200
a joke.
And what happened?

634
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,280
He had an opportunity to move
out of a soul sucking job and

635
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,240
get going to a new division and
they would pay for my private

636
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,720
school education.
And he's like, well, I'm

637
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,000
struggling financially to do it
myself.

638
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,640
My wife is doing a job that she
once loved, but it's also soul

639
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640
sucking for her.
What if we split up our family

640
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560
and the eldest one who seems to
be resilient, can go to boarding

641
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,080
school and will take the little
one with us?

642
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,800
And so they went to a different
country and I saw them four

643
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,440
times a year.
And my father would cry every

644
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,480
time he would come home to visit
me on a business trip.

645
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,520
He would take me down the road
to Italian restaurant with a

646
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,400
singing waiter, which was
amazing.

647
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,920
And he would walk me up the
hill.

648
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,080
And I knew when he would then
walk down to the hill to his

649
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,720
accommodation, which no longer
exists, that he cried.

650
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,080
He was a soft man.
And so now to answer your

651
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:07,480
question, my children are both
masculine and feminine and I

652
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,280
have two different sorts of men
who one is 18 now and one is 16

653
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,360
turning 17.
One is an affectionately, the

654
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,240
little one, I affectionately
call him my he man.

655
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,320
He's into bodybuilding.
He's built himself a beautiful

656
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,240
body with dedication because he
wants to be a real bloke, like

657
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,680
the muscle bloke out of his
appearance.

658
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,320
He's immaculately dressed.
He needs to bond with men.

659
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,600
He likes it.
He doesn't have a dad with him

660
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,240
full time, so I sent him to an
all all boys school so he could

661
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:42,320
be surrounded by males and men
teachers.

662
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160
And we've been blessed to have a
smattering of female teachers,

663
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,320
but he's been surrounded during
the day with men.

664
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,200
And that was intentional for me.
It's a long story, but anyway.

665
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,480
And my other son, he's like the
Cambridge Scholar or the Oxford

666
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,680
Scholar, if you mention
Archangel, might form bodied in

667
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,960
him.
He's like that and he's quiet

668
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,000
and sensitive and he's fiercely
proud and fiercely academic and

669
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,960
he shows his masculine qualities
in different ways that are like

670
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,720
a scholar.
And they are both different

671
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:18,040
aspects of masculinity and both
men, both boys who, you know,

672
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,200
the little one who looks older
than the older 1, he gets

673
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,280
mistaken for being 20 when he's
16.

674
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,840
He has they both have their
issues with their father, which

675
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,920
they've overcome with time.
And you know, I must have put a

676
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,520
wish out into the universe
because my last year my son went

677
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,520
on a cocoa trial hike and that
is in PNG.

678
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,280
And that is the trial that the
Australians defended Papua New

679
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Guinea and Australia from the
invasion of the Japanese, right.

680
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,240
So it is a brutal, brutal hike,
gets classified as one of the

681
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,080
most difficult in the in the
world.

682
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,360
And you know, it is a dangerous
hike.

683
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,440
And from the moment that they
decided to go on the hike and my

684
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,920
ex-husband pay for that and he
and my little son decided to do

685
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,120
that, he offered it to my
biggest son, but he said, no,

686
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
that's not me.
They had to rigorously, brutally

687
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,200
train for that.
And I knew I was afraid.

688
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,720
I was afraid that my ex-husband
wouldn't train enough to get fit

689
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,640
enough because he's a lot older
than me to be.

690
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,080
I didn't want him dying on the
hike.

691
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,320
You know, I'm protective of my
son and of my ex-husband because

692
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,840
I was like, what's the worst
case scenario?

693
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Both of them don't train enough
and one or both of them die on

694
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,120
the track.
All right.

695
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,920
And I also knew that I had to
let my son go and have an

696
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,760
initiation experience.
I was also sad that I've never

697
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360
returned to Papua New Guinea
because I also considered it one

698
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,560
of my homes because wherever I
rest my head, I feel at home.

699
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,920
And I've worried about Papua New
Guinea and the corruption and

700
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,200
brutality and the lack of
education for citizens and

701
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,440
trying to understand the culture
because it was an eye opener for

702
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,720
me and I loved it.
And I would like to go back to

703
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,800
PNG but it wasn't part of my
requirements and it was a

704
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,440
dangerous hike.
They had to helicopter a man out

705
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,760
who who was in a life
threatening condition and my son

706
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,320
stood next to that man as he
almost lost his life.

707
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200
And so you could say, did my
wish come true?

708
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Yes, my son was confronted with
a near death experience of

709
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,440
another man with his father by
his side.

710
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,800
Yes, he got his initiation and
he got to do something very

711
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,640
masculine for him.
And then my other son went on a

712
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,760
beautiful cultural experience
with his father to Vietnam, and

713
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,960
that was appropriate for his
intellect and his way to

714
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,080
discover food and culture.
But they were both different

715
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,840
versions of masculinity.
And for me, they were both

716
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,520
initiations and now I believe
they're both men.

717
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Not eternally because I have to
be careful with my words.

718
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,120
I have done eternal bounce to
people before and that is a

719
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,320
catch.
I am grateful that my husband,

720
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,600
who became my ex-husband was
able to tap into his true

721
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,720
essence and say I need to give
these boys an experience with me

722
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,280
that may challenge us all.
But I know that my boys will

723
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,000
then be men and they can relate
to me as men, not just as dad.

724
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,760
And so in a way I had to hand
them over and say I'm not a man.

725
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,600
I can't do those initiations.
Here you go, Dad.

726
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,800
I wonder if you have any message
or recently ever received any

727
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,920
messages for men there that are,
you know, hesitant to ask for

728
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400
help or right on the brink of,
of, of exploring their own

729
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,360
spirituality and growth,
anything for them?

730
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Yes.
So my, my wisdom for them is it

731
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,440
is time to do your work.
And you will see that in the

732
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,360
Vedic astrology era right now,
they're calling it the goddess

733
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,320
age, right?
Don't be afraid of that.

734
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Please don't be afraid of that.
The Goddess age is, if we truly

735
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,360
understand it, a realisation
that the Goddess does not work

736
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,160
without the God and that we need
to go back to not hating each

737
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,280
other and understanding that we
choose to be feminine or

738
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
masculine.
But we can also tap into the

739
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,000
other energies and we have done
healing in other lifetimes.

740
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,680
But now it's time for the man to
say, how can I honour the

741
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,640
intention of all the
relationships I'm in?

742
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,240
Where do I need to be the
feminine?

743
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,000
Where do I be need to be the
masculine?

744
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,040
But most importantly, can I stop
putting myself like Khatija's

745
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,520
father, in a situation where I'm
a square peg in a roll, in a

746
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,680
round hole to protect my family?
If it's not serving you, if your

747
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,920
job is not serving you, if your
lifestyle is not serving you,

748
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,040
you need to ask for help with
your spirit guides or your

749
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,600
angels.
Because I get quite, quite

750
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,280
emotional about this.
Because you're not serving the

751
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440
women in your life or your
children in your life.

752
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,680
If you are doing something
because you have to, but you are

753
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:12,280
smothering your soul, you are
destroying your sense of self

754
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,640
because you will die with
regrets.

755
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,680
And your children and your wife
or your husband if you're that

756
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,320
Wang client will die with
regrets that they didn't let you

757
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,560
get to be who you were because
they need to see you for you.

758
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,920
And we all need to see ourselves
for ourselves.

759
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,840
But if one person in our
household is not allowed to be

760
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,720
who they truly are, the rest of
the people in our household

761
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,080
aren't allowed to be who they
truly are.

762
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,760
And that would be the message.
Right.

763
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,760
Awesome.
Yeah, I agree 100%.

764
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,720
Katich, tell me about your
podcast.

765
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,680
My podcast is called the
Infinite Life with Katich

766
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,400
Abatul.
It's done as an exploration,

767
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,400
which said I think I've
reincarnated before and it went

768
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,800
with very my first experience of
me explaining the story of

769
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,000
turning up to the Buddhist
monastery going help.

770
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,360
I don't think I can be married
anymore and saying that that

771
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,720
breaks every personal value that
I ever had about starting a

772
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,080
family.
Why am I experiencing this and

773
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,800
having it's episode 1 if anyone
wants to listen to it, A very

774
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,440
deep experience with the Geshi
who's like the head monk where I

775
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,680
recognised that he was my mother
in a past lifetime and a

776
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,440
profound emotional healing that
I had.

777
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,920
And it was confirmed by all the
nuns.

778
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,160
And then saying, OK, that was a
bit weird.

779
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,800
I need to look after my children
now.

780
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,800
And I'm going to forget all of
that for a good period of time.

781
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,720
And then for some known reason,
I'm going to be drawn to healing

782
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,960
myself in lockdown.
And I'm going to get a pair of

783
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,040
singing bowls and I'm going to
start understanding sound and

784
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,520
light as a vibration.
And that led me to past life

785
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,960
regression.
And I said, why?

786
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
How can anybody understand if
you've lived before if you don't

787
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,440
trust that somebody says I'm
King Arthur or whatever it is?

788
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,160
I'm going to turn a video on in
my sessions with full written

789
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,480
consent of the participants and
see where it takes us.

790
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,320
And so I think we've done over
100 case studies of past lives

791
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,880
in this location on Earth and in
other dimensions and other

792
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,840
frequencies.
And that's what the podcast set

793
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,240
out to do is me saying I'm a
university lecturer, I'm a

794
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,120
management consultant, but
there's something else.

795
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,920
I need to understand myself and
I need some people to help me.

796
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,640
And the brave souls who came on
the podcast all identify

797
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,680
themselves as people that my
soul knows.

798
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,440
So there's 100 case studies of
reincarnation.

799
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,680
And if you don't believe in
reincarnation, that's OK.

800
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,560
But if you are inclined, you can
also listen to Archangel Z Kale

801
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,320
talk about animals or channel
wisdom of animals.

802
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,200
And you could talk to people
fascinating that I interview on

803
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,320
podcasts.
But I had this urge to conquer

804
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,360
my own question was, have I
lived before?

805
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,280
I don't need to leave some kind
of legacy.

806
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Nice.
What's the best way for people

807
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,200
to find out all the things that
you're up to?

808
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Just type my name Katish in
Google and you'll get my website

809
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,800
which is just katish.com and you
can have a look at whatever

810
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,520
resonates with you there.
Awesome, I really thank you for

811
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,120
your time sharing all the
powerful things that you have

812
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,880
experienced and continue to
experience.

813
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,960
And I love how you're using
every you're using your

814
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,680
experience to serve other
people, open them up and to me,

815
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,000
that's what the world needs more
of.

816
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Thanks for joining us everybody.
Please visit Real Men Field at

817
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,880
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episode.

818
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920
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819
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,320
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820
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,000
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821
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,320
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822
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,320
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823
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,720
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824
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,320
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825
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,640
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826
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,120
yourself.