Enough Already: Rediscovering Our Humanity with Colin Kingsmill

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Hello and welcome to Real Men
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I am your host, author, coach,
and Taylor Andy Grant.

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Real Men Feel reminds men that
they are human beings and have

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the right to experience and
express all of their emotions.

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We have conversations that most
men are not having, but that all

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men can benefit from.
My guest today is Colin

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Kingsman.
Collin is a super interesting

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dude, a former Swiss banker who
thought he was living his best

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life until a car accident woke
him up to search for a deeper

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meaning and connection.
We have a profound discussion

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around success, worthiness and
being of service.

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Collin opens up about his core
wound and what led him to

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creating the Enough Already
movement.

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Enough Already focuses on
rediscovering our humanity and

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living fearlessly with
integrity.

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We also explore the trappings of
corporations, potential dangers

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of spirituality and the roots of
a lack mindset.

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Horrible Internet connectivity
on Maya and caused us to abort

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our first conversation and pick
it up a couple days later.

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So if you think people suddenly
change outfits at the end of the

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show, you have not lost your
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Let's do it.
Hello Colin, and welcome to Real

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Men Feel hey.
Thank you for having me,

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appreciate it.
I'm really been looking forward

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to this conversation.
We had a brief chat but before

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the show and I find you to be a
very intriguing individual, so

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let's just jump right in.
What is enough already?

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The beginning of a movement for
people that are saying enough

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already to to what's going on in
the world.

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And what do I mean by that
first?

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The first thing is I believe
people have lost touch with

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their humanity or their sense of
humanity and there's all kinds

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of ramifications about that we
can dive into.

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I believe people are not living
and breathing in integrity.

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So they're, they, many of us are
living behind masks.

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We are living afraid all the
time.

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So, so whether that's guilt or
however fear portrays itself and

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we're tied down, we're tethered
down by our psychological

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suffering.
So for me, enough already is

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saying no to all of those things
or saying yes to humanity, yes

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to integrity, yes to being
fearless and no to psychological

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suffering and, and, and becoming
free and untethered.

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That's, that's the idea.
It's enough already of kind of

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the corporatism that has taken
over the world, the healthcare,

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that's not healthcare, food,
that is not food governance,

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that is not governance.
You know, the list goes on and

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on.
The idea is to really just to

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start to shake things up in
every industry.

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So always like to ask guests for
definitions of terms.

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So we're us, we in this
conversation and all listeners

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can be on the same page and make
sure So sure what?

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And I've heard this many times
and I rarely hear a definition.

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So how would you define
humanity?

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Oh, that's a good question.
It it it for me, it is the

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recognition that we are one
lineage on one Little Rock

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flying through the Galaxy.
I like that.

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Basically, you know, I think, I
think we tend to forget, right?

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We tend to forget that we are on
a on a speck of dust flying

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through a Galaxy we know nothing
about and we have created in and

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especially more recently, all of
this division, right?

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I am this, you are that, whether
it is the country you're, you're

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from the, the religion, you are
from sex, gender, I mean, it's

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just this division of Labor
almost, but it's not labor.

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But this, this like a puzzle.
We've been subdivided, right?

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So for me, humanity is putting
back together that puzzle and

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saying we are one and let's
treat ourselves.

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Let's treat others, and let's
treat the planet that way.

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And then how would you define
integrity?

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Integrity for me is, is really
about living and breathing who

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you actually are, right?
So it's a matter of breaking,

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taking away the mask or taking
it or, or not be, not being the

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actor you are in your day-to-day
with your spouse, partner,

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husband, whatever family,
etcetera, etcetera.

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I, I think we've, we live it.
We live in a world where people

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are expected to perform and be
something different than who

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they actually are.
So it's really an acceptance of

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who you truly are and and trying
to live that way and breathe

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that way.
OK, so Colin, who are you truly?

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That's a good question.
I really don't know and I almost

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actually don't care anymore.
You know what, what when I was

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living in sort of chapter one of
my life, it was all about

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performative and showing and
demonstrating that I was, you

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know, successful, financially
successful, professionally

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successful, all these things,
right?

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And that was that was really
exhaustive, right, from a

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personal, from a personal
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So chapter one, I was all about,
you know, showing everybody in,

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in the, in the world that I was
worthy, right?

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And I was worthy because I had
and did all of these things that

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were external to me.
The, the sort of the 2nd chapter

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of, of my life was, was really
more, more of that, right?

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Just performing and performing
and doing and doing and, and

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always trying to be kind of
best, best in class.

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And the minute I kind of gave up
on that, I settled into who I

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am, who I am today.
And honestly, I don't think I'm

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any, anything more than a guide
or a coach or, you know, I often

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see myself as as pulling people
out of the water as they're

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drowning.
So maybe I'm a lifeguard.

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I was talking with my, my
coaching colleagues this this

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week and we spoke about
wayfinding.

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You know, it's like I've, I've,
I've gotten up and fallen down

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so many times all over the world
that now I'm kind of in a

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position to have a little more
light or, or, or have a little

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more idea or ability to shine
light in corners where people

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not, might not otherwise see
them.

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So yeah, lifeguards, lifeguards
coach Sherpa guide any, any

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number of those would would, I
think kind of approximate where

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I think I am today.
Cool.

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So tell me a little bit more
about about chapter 1 when as

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you're being successful and and
and you said proving your worth.

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What what was life?
What was that life?

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That life was, I mean, I was in
my 20s, I was living in

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Switzerland.
I decided to, to get into

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banking, financial services and
by all intents and purposes, I

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was successful.
You know, I was, you know,

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Easter and Centre Pay and
Christmas in San Mauritz and all

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the cars I wanted and then the
home that I wanted and the

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vacations and all that other
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And at one point I had 25
employees and a financial

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services company, 2 offices,
etcetera.

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But I woke up one day and it was
sort of 2001 and I was actually,

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I had a traffic accident.
I spun out of control in the

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mountains, in my SUV and landed
on the side of the ditch and not

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the side of the lake.
So I could have been gone,

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right?
And that was this wake up moment

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where I, I realized I was, you
know, depressed, full of

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anxiety, full of unhappiness,
you know, that lethal cocktail

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that so many of us can get and
be in.

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And it was a wake up call.
You know, I had, I had ticked

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all the boxes, right?
And I think a lot of people do

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that these days, right?
You have a checklist of what you

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believe to be the markers of
success, right?

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And for me, I had gotten them
all and I was living my best

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life, best life, quote UN quote,
right.

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And that traffic or that there
was no other traffic, it was

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just a spinning out of control,
which was a perfect metaphor for

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my life.
I just realized that day I'm

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like, I was like, this is all
wrong.

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I've been on the wrong road.
And it was interesting, right?

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You spinning off a road.
And I was, I was just on the

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wrong path.
And it was, it was, you know, it

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was 10 or 15 years in the
making, right?

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Because you go to university,
you go and get an MBA, they tell

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you what success means.
They tell you all the, the

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parameters of performance and
performance analysis and

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performance reviews.
And but this road to success,

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again, quote UN quote was
paralleled with a completely

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different one, which was a
descent into a disconnection

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from who I was or who I am or
from even from my my body and

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mind.
It was just all sort of cerebral

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get, get, go, go, faster, more,
more, more, right?

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In your 20s and and even before
that, what going going through

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school, did you have a sense of
the disconnection or just going

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to the motions?
Like I imagine at some point in

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that in those experiences you
were happy or enjoy at least

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enjoying some of the trappings.
Was that the?

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Case yeah, no, sure for sure I
had no.

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All I knew was that, that
throughout my childhood, I, I

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gained for some reason, I don't
know why, because it was

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idyllic, but I, you know, they
don't teach you these things in

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school.
But I had kind of garnered this

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core wound of unworthiness.
I felt that I was not enough.

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Therefore, all of those sort of
later teen years and 20s were

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the, the filling that void of
unworthiness.

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And unfortunately, the void came
from that menu that we all know.

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But look, I mean it, it, it had
to have been fun at times.

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New Year's Eve with Lee Iacocca
and I've been in George George

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Clooney's villa and I've, you
know, I've, I've, I've had so

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many incredible experiences that
I can hardly remember them now.

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But, but sure, at the time they
were great.

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But I almost think they were a
bit of a, kind of a dopamine

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hit.
Like they were, they were, they

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were a little bit like retail
therapy, right?

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Like you have the experience of
the, the, the shot, right.

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And really quickly afterwards,
it's like, well, I'm, I'm still,

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you know, I'm at home, I'm alone
with at least in my mind, right?

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And, and yeah, that was
interesting.

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I was in a beautiful space or a
beautiful place or had an

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incredible experience that a lot
of people might not be envious

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of, but it kind of want to have
two.

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But but that feeling wears off
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You know, you get off a private
jet and you're in a car being

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driven somewhere and it's like,
oh, OK, this you know, I, I

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could be in my Toyota, right?
And I would be the same person.

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He's having the context.
Didn't the context stopped

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mattering, right?
I'm a a high level initiate of

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something called the modern
mystery School.

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And yes, and one, one of the
huge things in the mystery

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school is that happiness is
temporary and in response to

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things.
So it's like you had a lot of

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happiness reactions, but what
we're really after as humans is

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a state of being, and a state of
being of joy does.

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That resonate exactly, exactly.
That's precisely what it is.

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I so I had those moments of
happiness that you know, you

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know, it's like sprinkling sugar
on a, on a, on a cappuccino, but

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the joy, the depth, the depth
was not there.

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It was just, it was always going
back to the fast food menu of

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what's the next experience to
give me that dose of happiness

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because there was no joy.
And, and I certainly relate to

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that, that wound of
unworthiness.

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I I grew up this very similar,
fairly similar style of, of

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trying to fill me up and
thinking something must be wrong

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with me.
So were you conscious of this

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unworthiness, or was it only
kind of after that accident that

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you realized it was there?
So no, I was totally unconscious

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the whole time, totally didn't
realize it.

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And it was after the accident
and after I gave everything I

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owned away and moved back to
Vancouver, BC, which I thought,

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I thought that would be a good
place to, to, to discover who I

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was, you know, to reconnect with
my who, Like, who is this right?

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What was that all about?
I, I was completely unaware

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until about, I guess it must
have been about 35 and it and

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gave everything away.
And much like a, you know,

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Buddhist might shed the robes
of, of ownership and things.

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And, and I thought, well, given
this was all wrong, I'd better

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just had, you know, had any
trappings of it.

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Any reminders and moved back to
Vancouver and I went to, you

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know, it was called Banyan
books.

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It's probably still there.
It was the spiritual bookshop on

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the OR the self help bookshop.
And at that time it was just

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when Eckhart Tolle was, you
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now.
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What the bleep do we know?
And they were talking about, you

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know, energy and attraction and
spirituality and, and I just,

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you know, in those bookstores
where it's all the, all the best

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sellers, I just went and did
this to the whole table.

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I'm like, I'm going to get a
copy of each one of these.

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You've, you're smiling.
So you might have done the same.

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It's like, I got to figure this
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Like, like why was I or I guess
that didn't matter, but I needed

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to become aware because I
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Nobody teaches you that in
school as a kid, right?

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Yeah, it is similar.
Similar timing too.

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So the, the thing that really
woke me up was when the secret

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first came out and my wife had
bought the, I didn't, I didn't

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even know it was a movie.
I just saw my wife had bought

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the book as a gift.
She was headed to, you know, a,

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a Christmas gift exchange in the
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And I just started paging
through this book and I was

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like, and you know, it.
The, the thing that stood out

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for, for me was, you know, you
can change your thoughts, your

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thoughts create your emotions
and you can change your

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thoughts.
And I was brought up with all

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sorts of different mental health
labels and, and disease and all

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this notion.
I, I was taught I, I'm at the

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mercy of my emotions and this,
this thing saying I control

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them.
I'm like, what that, that was

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like ground.
Yeah.

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So I was like, I'm reading this.
I'm like, my wife's like, it's

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time to go.
I'm like, I, I, no, I can't.

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I don't want to lose this book.
So then she told me like, I will

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keep that one cuz I bought one
for you for Christmas too.

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So like so I got to read it
early and that got me on the

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road to different mentors and
more books and we have what the

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bleep do we know and all the
things that were kind of out at

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that time.
Yep.

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So you've shared the the
trappings of success and they

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sound like very glamorous
trappings.

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But how do you?
How do you define success today?

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For me, it's all about, it's all
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It is finding joy within, right?
And being able to share that

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with others and to me there's
nothing better than that.

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Knowing that it's all inside.
And like you just said, knowing

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that your thoughts are temporary
and controllable and you are not

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destined to be labeled whatever
your your particular affliction

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was or it or is it it's it is it
is finding the joy inside and

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sharing that energy with others.
How important is service to you?

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It's a good question because to
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Now, you know, we live in such
a, we live in such complex

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times, right?
And we see so many people around

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us with mental health challenges
and addiction challenges and

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financial insecurities and, and
food insecurities.

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I feel like we are it in a
moment in time where our society

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is sick.
And I think you see evidence of

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that in, in all sorts of health,
health figures and mental health

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figures, and I mean statistics
and, and I think you also see

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that the division that we have
in our world, right?

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So I think being of service to a
world that has become unhealthy

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and disconnected from its
humanity is the only thing to

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do.
I think it's the greatest thing

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you can do or I can do.
I, I I find that true both ways

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that you or I can do.
It's still that being of service

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is is that key and is that
something that you had been

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taught at any point growing up
or in school?

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Nothing, no, Nope 0 for me.
And maybe it was the era that I

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grew up in sort of, you know,
the 80s and the 80s and the 90s

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and and at that time, you know,
it was more about get, get, get

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and have, have, have and self,
self, self, right.

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And yeah, it took a long time to
realize how important being in

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service is.
Nobody wasn't taught, certainly

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to me.
Yeah, and I, you know, I'm, I'm

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not in public school currently,
but I, but I, I, I doubt the

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American education system is, is
telling kids not just how

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important services, but how good
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That was something that I was
really surprised by how much,

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how much joy I get by helping
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And, you know, not just being a
kid and, you know, mowing

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someone's lawn, helping the old
lady across the street in these

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cliche things, but really
helping someone in any way, you

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know, giving someone directions
or or coaching someone, you

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know, working in a professional
manner of of service or even

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just this podcast.
Well, for me, I don't know about

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you, but it feels like it's the,
it's the fuel of life, it's the

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energy of life.
It's the, it is that is it.

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Is that joy manifested?
You've mentioned a few of the

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ills of the world and of society
currently.

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Does anything, is anything stand
at the top of kind of the the

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worst aspect or, or or mindset
or whatever you see as being the

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most destructive thing that's
happening?

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So I don't know if, if this
resonates with you, but for me,

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I believe the corporation as a
legal entity is probably the

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greatest challenge we have.
Because I, I think, I think what

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it does is it disconnects us
humans from the endeavour,

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right?
So for me, it allows the

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endeavour to become dehumanized
and therefore it means we can.

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Feed people food that is not
food.

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Give them healthcare.
That's not health, that's not

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care.
You know, that's like there's

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all sorts of that for me.
That's it.

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It's this, this idea that that
corporations are one run by

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human beings, but they are no
longer human.

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There's no humanity to them.
Therefore, they can commit, you

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know, acts that are, that are
completely heinous and poisonous

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and go to war for us and for you
know, it's the list goes on,

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right?
That's my my challenge today is

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corporatism, the idea that this
entity doesn't have a human

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behind it be disconnected.
Yeah, it, it, it's funny, I was,

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this has been on my mind as kind
of a solo show to do this, this

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notion of, of the corporate
entity and how it's dehumanized

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all of us.
And so, so this year, I, I, I

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have a 20 year career with one
of the greatest corporations

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rated to work at ever and caring
for people and etcetera,

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etcetera.
But still the most important

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thing is stock price,
shareholder value, Trump's

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customer value, Trump's employee
value.

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So, so I was laid off shock.
I was shocked to be laid off and

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my boss was shocked to be laying
me off.

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And that was in April.
And my wife, she's currently

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battling a corporation that's
making the news here in the US.

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It there it's stored healthcare.
They've they're closing 8

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hospitals in Massachusetts
alone.

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So her, yeah, she's out of a
job, doesn't get PTO severance,

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all these things negotiated not
being honored.

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So I've just have two real
experiences of, you know,

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corporation that smiles to you
in the good times and will cut

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your throat without hesitation.
And because steward is in

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bankruptcy court, they really
don't have to honor anything.

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And it's, it's insane how
bankruptcy laws in the US of, of

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all the debtors, employees are
last.

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So anything promised you and
they, they've been pleading

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with, because it's a hospital,
they've been pleading with

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people keep, please work here,
don't quit, keep showing up

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until the very last day.
And all the people that do are

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being punished for doing so.
It's, it's, it's just, it's

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sickening.
So there's my there's my rant.

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No, I'm completely with you.
And I think you can take that

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analogy and that story to across
the world in, in any industry

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and any country.
The, the, to me, the, the, the,

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the very fact that the, that the
corporation is no longer a human

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entity, right?
And, and if you, but you have to

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pair that with what I think are
how do I phrase this are the

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wrong parameters to live by and
live with.

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And look, I'm all for
capitalism.

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I'm not saying and, and and I'm,
I'm, I'm all, I'm all for, you

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know, companies making a profit
and things like that.

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I'm not any, by any means sort
of Marxist socialist at all.

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But I think we can do better.
I think we can do much, much

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better, right.
And if, if, if, if there was

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humanity reinjected into the
corporation I and that and we

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had different markers for that
company's success.

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So it's not just ROI.
What if it was return on

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humanity, return on health,
return on happiness, return on

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joy.
I think we need new indicators

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of success, right?
Yeah, for sure.

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So, so it, it, it's the
corporation and the indicators I

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think that both need to evolve,
you know, into, into what's next

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for us as human.
Beings so as as humans more and

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more individuals are waking up
and realizing the checking the

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boxes and what they thought.
Also success is isn't success,

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but that hasn't that hasn't
elevated to the corporate and

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legal entities yet.
I think you're right.

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I think I, I, I, I'm very
optimistic.

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So, so I might sound, you know,
kind of negative on things, but

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I'm very optimistic.
I think people are waking up and

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going, hold on, this isn't
working.

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We need a new paradigm.
We need a new way of doing

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things.
So I'm optimistic.

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Yeah, absolutely.
People are waking up.

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And one of the benefits of
something like social media is

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that they are waking up and
people can see and people can

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communicate what?
Is what what's the most

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challenging thing in the way of
of someone waking up?

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Oh, for me, for for me it is is
being bombarded by the news

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bombarded by social media and
being addicted to a coping

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mechanism, right.
So because and I I say to people

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often you need a personal
protection system perimeter

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around you.
But if you, if you add up things

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like social media, the negative
news cycle, breaking news, and

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you have a whole series of
coping mechanisms that people

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can turn to, whether it's
alcohol or drugs or other types

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of addiction.
You have a cocktail that's very

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difficult to peep for people to
get out of, right?

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So a very sort of negative
contextual environment that they

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live in, you know that they keep
feeding.

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So addicted to the negativity
and then addicted to the coping

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mechanism is honestly, I think
it's creating zombies.

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You know, just, you know,
they're there, you know, you can

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have a conversation with them,
but they're having to drink and

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smoke up or pop pills or whether
it's pharmaceutical or non

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pharmaceutical.
It's like, where are you?

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You're you're gone, right?
But I have all the, all the, all

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the patients in the world for,
for individuals that are stuck

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in that place, right?
Because it's a, it's again, it,

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it, it, it's a, it's a very hard
place to come out of, but.

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It can be done, and we're both
seeing more and more people do

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this.
Yes, no, for sure.

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Like I said, I'm optimistic.
They're, they're, they're.

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It feels as though there's a
movement.

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Well.
The.

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Reasons.
Words that are lied.

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Yes.
No, that's true.

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Yeah, but you're right.
You're right.

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So you've got a movement.
Real men feel is a movement.

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As more and more individuals are
waking up and creating

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movements, what's the is there a
bigger wave that that you see or

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would name?
I look, I think it's time for

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everyone to to take action.
It is it it's time to get off

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up, up off the couch and and
take action.

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And the best thing you can do is
to take action locally right

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outside your front door and, you
know, become join town council,

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join a committees, become a
volunteer, get out of the house,

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switch off the TV, turn off
social media, turn off the radio

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and get active and involved and
participate.

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It's like, it, it, it's, it's
almost as if we we need to

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realize that that life is a
participation sport.

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You got to be involved.
So, Colin, you mentioned that in

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Chapter 1 of your life you were
trying to prove yourself worthy.

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Worthy of what?
That's a very good question, I

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think.
I think the answer is worthy of

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being in the pack, worthy of
belonging, worthy of being just

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00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,640
like everybody else.
And but it's interesting though,

443
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,680
because I kind of went way
beyond that.

444
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,520
It was almost like I wanted to
get to sort of that level of

445
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,280
acceptance.
You know, I, I wanted a normal

446
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,680
life with A2 car garage and
like, you know, the junk food

447
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280
that all the kids were eating.
And I grew up in a forest with a

448
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,960
mother who was, you know, into
organic everything at the time

449
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,480
when it wasn't as fashionable
as, as it is today, right?

450
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,280
So I just want it to be normal,
right?

451
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,440
To, to not be the weirdo or the
guy that nobody talked to and

452
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:51,240
people just kind of ignored.
But somewhere along the way, I,

453
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,000
I guess there was also sort of a
financial gap that I wanted to,

454
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,880
to, to fill as well.
It was, so it was acceptance and

455
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,320
acceptance by my peers, you
know, to be just like them.

456
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,880
But then you know, like my
father was an artist and at the

457
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,880
time it was, it was, it was
quite difficult financially.

458
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,360
But yet my mother's family was
from Switzerland.

459
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,960
So I would see sort of this
diametrically opposite

460
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,960
lifestyles, right?
And and the the the one where

461
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,920
there was quite a bit of lack or
financial insecurity, that's

462
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,640
where I said I never want to go
there again.

463
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,560
And On the contrary, I'm going
to make up for that.

464
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,880
So yeah, a bit of a bit kind of
a combination of both sort of

465
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:47,080
financial insecurity at home and
then no sense of self or

466
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960
acceptance.
It was at school and with my

467
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,480
peers and with Yeah, well, I had
two friends, but.

468
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Yeah, yeah.
And it was So what?

469
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680
I didn't wasn't sure if it was
just only inner world or only

470
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,280
external, but it was.
It was a mix for.

471
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,880
Sure, definitely, definitely a
mix.

472
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,640
Yeah, it was, you know, when I
think I I think when you

473
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,800
struggle, well, you know,
struggle as a Trump, but but

474
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,400
when you're in a context of
struggle, when you're younger

475
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,080
from a financial perspective,
that has a lasting impact.

476
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,240
I think.
I know.

477
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,080
But also this, this idea of
being different and sort of not

478
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,920
even bullied.
I don't think nobody even

479
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,720
bothered to bully me.
It was just left out in the

480
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,160
corner of the field, right,
Because I was just so different.

481
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,840
How do you know that you're
worthy today?

482
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280
Because I'm not looking for
anything like that.

483
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080
I'm there.
There's no, there's no more sort

484
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,840
of tension, you know, there's no
more, there's no more of that

485
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:51,400
grasp that, that deed that needs
to, you know, get validated.

486
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,080
Get yeah, there's no the the,
the need and the desire for

487
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,720
validation is gone.
That being said, I'm still a bit

488
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,560
of a workaholic, so I wonder
what that's about.

489
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760
You know, that probably that
probably is worthy of being

490
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,960
unpacked, but certainly coming
back from Europe and settling

491
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,720
into a place that's, you know,
in the countryside and very

492
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,760
healthy and also living a more,
a healthier lifestyle for sure

493
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,480
from a stress perspective and
things.

494
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,240
Yeah.
You just kind of feel it in your

495
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,960
body when you, when you.
I think anyway, for at least for

496
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,240
me, I feel it in my body.
I think I have embodied it, this

497
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,280
idea of all right, well,
everything's OK and everything

498
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,280
as it is, it is as it is and
everything belongs and it's OK

499
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,400
and there's, there's no more
compensation for a void, I guess

500
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,160
is the best way to put it that.
Makes sense.

501
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,880
So you you shared that in
childhood, there was a bit of

502
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,640
financial insecurity, at least
from from your perspective.

503
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,400
And and you've gone on to be
very financially successful.

504
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Some some, some some high
society people in doing right.

505
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:16,560
So having lived both ends of the
financial poll, what do you

506
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,920
think the lack mentality is
rooted in in so many people?

507
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Damn.
Andy, you have great questions.

508
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:34,240
I think it all stems to, it
stems from, from fear and it

509
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:41,400
stems from a society, I think
that that nurtures fear and, and

510
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160
sells success and sells self
worse.

511
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,480
And is, is so highly
commercialized and publicized

512
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,280
and said to us through all of
the algorithms that when I talk

513
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,200
to people and I say, sometimes
you, you know, you have to have

514
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,240
almost like a personal
protection system around you,

515
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,320
like a, like a kryptonite
barrier to not absorb all of

516
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,000
that negativity that's coming at
you.

517
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,600
Because I think that's the root
cause of it.

518
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,400
And, and the, the other 'cause I
believe it is this idea of

519
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
scarcity, right?
That there's never enough,

520
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,320
There's never enough, there's
not enough.

521
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
You always have to scramble.
You always have to scramble.

522
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,360
And we were not taught to have a
healthy relationship with money,

523
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,640
right?
It's not taught in school for

524
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,200
sure.
And yeah, so it's, I think it, I

525
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,480
think it's education around the
relationship with, with money.

526
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,520
It's, it's connected to
absorption of, of negativity

527
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320
around it.
And this idea of, of and then

528
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,800
that idea of scarcity.
And I think, I think also maybe

529
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,360
the 4th pillar is we are often
sold a bill of goods that that

530
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,400
appears, appears positive or
appears constructive, right?

531
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,480
Let's say I'll give you an
example like the secret, right,

532
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,400
or the law of attraction or, you
know, all of those, all of those

533
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,120
areas connected to money in
abundance and things like that.

534
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,960
What we're not.
So we're, so we're given a kind

535
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,320
of a solution, right?
Or a, or a, a learning or a

536
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,679
teaching.
But we're not, how do I say

537
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,080
this?
It's not, it's not an ongoing

538
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,280
living organic thing within you
because you kind of get the idea

539
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,320
right?
And it might work out for you

540
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
for a little while or a little
bit, or you might see some

541
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,719
semblance of it.
But underneath it is this dot of

542
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,360
negativity and storytelling.
So for me, it's, it's, it's,

543
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,239
it's those sort of 44 pillars.
And the last one being this idea

544
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,400
of negative storytelling just
below the surface of all that

545
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920
positivity, right?
Some people call it toxic

546
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,760
positivity, but whatever it is,
you know, you look at the

547
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,840
motivational poster or you look
at your vision board or you look

548
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120
at your, you know, you read the
Secret, you read the law of

549
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,000
attraction, get into some Bob
Proctor stuff.

550
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,840
And it's like, Oh yeah, that's
cool.

551
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560
I'm going to journal that.
And then you walk away from your

552
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,360
journal and you, you don't hold
it.

553
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,480
So that's why the relationship
with money is kind of an ongoing

554
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,720
experience that, that, that you
need to have without the

555
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,480
storytelling.
Cool.

556
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,240
So I, I, I've, I've had
experiences with pretty much

557
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,520
everything you just mentioned,
from Bob Proctor to the secret.

558
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,480
And you know, what I find makes
up kind of, we'll call the new

559
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,080
age bullshit aspect of those
things is sometimes people wake

560
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,080
up and I'll myself, I waking up
to my spirituality.

561
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,800
Well, I'm, I'm just going to be
spiritual.

562
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960
I'm just going to meditate.
I'm just going to think

563
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
affirmations and everything will
be better.

564
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,240
And my own mood got better.
But without action, nothing

565
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,240
really changes.
Yeah.

566
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,240
So I've told so many people, Oh,
I'm, I'm, I'm in expanding my

567
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,000
spiritual self.
I'm like, yeah, but you're still

568
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360
physical.
Like often times the most

569
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520
spiritual thing you can do is
get in the mud and do something.

570
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Totally, totally.
There's so much spiritual

571
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,960
negativity around money anyway,
like oh, everything should just

572
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,400
be free and give your gifts and
all that and like, that's not

573
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,720
where we live.
No, and it and, and the, and the

574
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,120
negativity really arises from
the fact that, you know, human

575
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,000
beings can do bad, bad things
with money, right?

576
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,160
But it's not the energy of money
that's bad, right?

577
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,960
And you're absolutely right.
You have to have action and

578
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,680
actually Mel Robbins did a
really good podcast when she

579
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,160
first launched on goal setting.
And I think it's like episode 39

580
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,680
or something.
So it was early days when she

581
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
first launched her podcast.
It's worth your audience taking

582
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,240
a look at because there's a
whole new science around around

583
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,480
proper goal setting.
And, and so, so really that that

584
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,360
idea of, OK, this is what I want
to manifest, but it's not going

585
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,040
to happen just with positive
thinking and, you know, sitting

586
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
and burning some incense, right?
There's got to be a plan.

587
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,040
So Mel Robbins goal setting
podcast.

588
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,840
That's a great one to kind of
get that connection from woo woo

589
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,000
to practical.
You know, cool.

590
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,320
I'll definitely track that down
and we'll add a link to the show

591
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,120
notes.
Yeah, it's good.

592
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,000
So we've we've talked about lack
being rooted in fear and

593
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,120
scarcity.
So what about an abundant

594
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,880
mindset?
What, what, what is that rely

595
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,120
on?
What?

596
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,000
What can that be rooted in?
You know, that's really

597
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,360
practice.
It's it's, it's really a almost

598
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840
like a daily meditative
practice, right?

599
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Of and, and, and I go back to
this idea of a personal

600
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
protection system.
You have got to arm yourself

601
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,800
against all of the forces that
are going to bring you down,

602
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,840
right?
So whether it's daily meditation

603
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,360
and mindfulness or sound
therapy, reading books, turning

604
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,560
off the news, turning off social
media, if you know that if you

605
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
if you want to go and have a box
of candy, right, which is

606
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,600
basically social media, know
what you're doing, be aware of

607
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,880
it, right?
Be, be intentional about your

608
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,520
social media that you're going
to that you're going to be on

609
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,640
right?
Because I think, I think so

610
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:24,280
often we go through life when
you go through the day, much of

611
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,280
it without intention, much of it
can be not for everybody, but

612
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
much of it can be just a
routine, right?

613
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,080
And when you're just doing the
routine without intentionality

614
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,120
in every moment, you, you
succumb to the, the sort of the

615
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,440
forces of negativity.
So personal protection barrier,

616
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,240
you know, get your wall up and
not, not in a bad way, right?

617
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,120
Don't put the masks back on, but
get your wall up to protect

618
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,320
yourself from anything that will
take you down and take you.

619
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920
And then for me, it's for me,
it's all about practice, daily

620
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,880
practice, daily meditation and
reading.

621
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,760
Also the right things.
There's a beautiful book out

622
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120
called Love, Money, Money loves
you.

623
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,920
And that's all about the
relationship you have with the

624
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,720
energy of money, right?
And it's just so good.

625
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,320
So and it's about embodiment of
that, right?

626
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,080
I often say to people, you know,
it, it, it's also what radio

627
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,440
station do you want to be all
playing on, right?

628
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Yeah, Money is really an
amplifier of your existing

629
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,560
energy.
And if if you're an asshole and

630
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,080
you get rich, you're going to be
rich, asshole.

631
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,440
If you're a kind, loving person,
they get rich, you'll be a kind,

632
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,120
loving, rich person.
It's just totally.

633
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Yeah, Yeah.
It's not money's fault for, for

634
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,520
any of that.
Yeah.

635
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,360
No.
Cool.

636
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440
No, it's just a yeah, It's an
energy.

637
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,120
That's all it is, and there's
enough.

638
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,200
All, all the talk of energy and
boundaries, I think it was like

639
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,840
in 2009, I did my first like
energy programs and creating an

640
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,800
energetic boundary was one of
the first things that we

641
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,920
learned.
And it really was, it's the

642
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,800
power of visualization because
everything is energy and you're,

643
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,080
you imagining thing, you
imagining things is really you

644
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,120
doing energy work.
So we would we would visualize a

645
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,400
row of a ring of roses around
us.

646
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,720
Anywhere we went and the roses
would absorb negative energy and

647
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,240
you would just travel on a bit.
So you were truly making a

648
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,800
bubble.
And, you know, I would

649
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,280
experiment with this and check
in and visualize and, and I'd

650
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,520
look at these roses in my mind
and they would be dried up and

651
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,800
decrepit after I went to the
mall.

652
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Listen, like, I'm like, Oh my
God.

653
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,760
And they're like, all right,
let's get rid of those and

654
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
replace them.
And, and it's and I encourage

655
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
people, however silly it sounds,
play with it.

656
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,880
And you can imagine.
Make your imaginary boundary out

657
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,360
of anything, but let it decide
that something's out there that

658
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,680
absorbs the negativity instead
of you, and just see if you

659
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,360
notice something.
That's brilliant.

660
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,520
That's absolutely brilliant.
And you know, if you want to get

661
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,800
into the kind of the science of
stuff, you can dive into things

662
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,280
like Qigong and, and you know,
Joe Dispenza, who I'm sure you

663
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,320
know, is doing great work around
that, which 20 years ago they

664
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,280
couldn't measure this stuff.
Right now you can actually

665
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,800
measure it.
It's like, oh wow, that's real.

666
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Yeah, yeah, the the people that
will like, I'll wait for science

667
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,080
to prove something.
I'm like, well, you could be

668
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,880
waiting for a long time.
You'll be covered in leeches if

669
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,080
that was the mindset of your
ancestors, right.

670
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,080
But I find that science keeps
catching up to spirituality and

671
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,840
proving the power that, you
know, the Mystics swore to US

672
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,800
thousands of years ago was the
true power of of the self and

673
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,000
the collective.
Yeah, it's all.

674
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,880
It's all, it's all kind of not
coming true because it's but but

675
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,400
the evidence is now appearing
before us, right?

676
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,120
So that's great.
Is is there anything top of mind

677
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,120
that you wish more men knew?
You know, the one thing that I

678
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,480
like, I'd love to leave people
with whoever I speak with, is

679
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,320
this, this statement that it
does not have to be like this.

680
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,360
You know, I think, I think we
get, we can get so caught up in

681
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,640
our own narratives and stories
and depression and anxiety and

682
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,000
mental health challenges that a
lot of people lose, lose hope.

683
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,680
And what I like to say to people
is don't, don't lose hope.

684
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Reach out, especially if you're
a guide, because we don't talk

685
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,760
about these things and we're not
educated on them in school.

686
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,880
Reach out, find your circle,
find your tribe.

687
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,560
And it does not have to be like
this.

688
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,920
There's there's ways out.
Yeah, you can say enough

689
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,200
already.
Can say enough already.

690
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,080
Yeah.
There you go.

691
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Thank you.
We can just close the circle

692
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,920
there.
Perfect for you.

693
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Cool.
So Colin, what's the best way

694
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,520
for people to find out
everything that you're up to?

695
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,360
Gosh, you, you know, I have a
website, callgayswell.com, which

696
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,600
I hate updating.
I gosh, I probably should.

697
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,920
I have podcasts from a year and
a half ago on there.

698
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,200
That's probably the best way to
to find me.

699
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,280
I'm also on LinkedIn yeah,
that's it.

700
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,040
I'm on Instagram, but I don't I,
I, I've grown tired of Instagram

701
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,720
and Facebook for some reason.
I don't know why.

702
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,040
Maybe it's just watching them in
the news these days, but I'll.

703
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Do I'll share one more tip
because you're talking about

704
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,400
social media and the negativity
of it.

705
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,560
Over a year ago, I turned off
all my social media

706
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,680
notifications, everything, and
now I just said, oh, I wonder

707
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,960
what's up on Facebook.
Oh, I wonder what's up on

708
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Instagram?
I don't, the phone doesn't own

709
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,040
me anymore.
And that was it's the best, most

710
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,840
liberating thing I've I've done
with technology ever.

711
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,800
So yeah, I think I need to do
the same with X these days.

712
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,240
So Fuji about.
Thank you for that.

713
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Yep.
Cool.

714
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,880
For sure.
Awesome.

715
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,720
Well, Colin, it was great to
talk with you, connect with you.

716
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,600
I got bonus time with you
because the Internet tried to

717
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,920
try to damage our relationship
earlier this week.

718
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,320
It did.
That was, but it's good.

719
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,040
I'm glad we could reconnect
quickly and and finish this

720
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,880
first conversation.
I feel like you and I could talk

721
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,680
forever.
Yeah, no, I feel the same way.

722
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,520
So yeah, I'm I'm sure this will
not be the last time we see each

723
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,200
other.
Yeah, let's do it.

724
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,760
Yeah, and let's make that true
for the audience, too.

725
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,280
So wherever you're discovering a
real midfield, thank you for

726
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,840
joining us today.
Thank you for meeting me and

727
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,320
Colin.
Visit realmenfeel.org.

728
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,800
See a blog post for this
episode.

729
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,240
We'll have links to all the
various things we mentioned,

730
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,160
podcasts, resources, books,
wherever you're discovering real

731
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,680
men feel, please subscribe,
follow, like, share this with

732
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,520
someone, post a review or
comment.

733
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,320
Do all the things you can do.
And if you're feeling challenged

734
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,960
with your worth, consider
booking a Clarity call with me.

735
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,600
That's a free conversation just
to just poke around and you

736
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,840
visit theandygrant.com/talk.
And you can always reach out to

737
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,600
me at realmenfeel@gmail.com.
And until next time, be good to

738
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:32,960
yourself.