Healing From Trauma | Moving From Pain to Possibility

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Hello, and welcome to 2023 and
to the eighth year of real men

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field.
Wow.

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I can't believe this has been
going on for eight years, but

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I'm very, very glad that it has
been.

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I'm your host author coach and
healer and Ygritte, you can

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visit the Andy Grant.com to
learn more, about me, real men,

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feeling gauges and conversations
that most men aren't having, but

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that all men can benefit from
remind men that you are human,

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and you have the right to
experience and express all of

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your emotions I have yet to meet
anyone.

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One who hasn't suffered some
form of trauma in their life.

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No, it seems that the Human
Experience was made to include

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trauma for Saul and Trauma,
doesn't just mean the physical

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abuse, sexual, abuse wore the
big things.

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It could be much smaller things.
Trauma would have with a small T

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it can be not having your needs
met at any point in your

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childhood.
The simplest definition of

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trauma that I've heard is
anything that was too high at

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magnitude for you to deal with.
At the time my guest today Greg

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Whiting helps leaders and
entrepreneurs.

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Course, he'll anxiety
depression.

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Chronic pain and Trauma so they
can lead with bold and

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courageous hearts for two
decades.

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He's helped hundreds of clients
reduce or eliminate their

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dependence on antidepressants,
anxiety, pain, and sleep meds.

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He addresses the unresolved
trauma that causes, inflammation

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compromises, immune function,
stagnates emotion fogs thought

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and creates him mortal
imbalance.

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He is the founder of Prisma a
framework.

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Overlaying trauma neuroscience
and Energy Medicine with

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somatic.
And And mindfulness based

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practices he developed this
while healing his own anxiety,

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depression, and chronic pain
rooted in trauma.

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This included unraveling a
severe spinal curvature and

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standing three inches taller
today.

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Again, I must say, wow, welcome
to room and feel, Greg.

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Thanks for having me, any good
to be here?

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Yeah, let's just jump right in
and tell me a bit about your

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experience with trauma as when
you were growing up.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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I appreciate kind of your intro.
Just not having developmental

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needs met can very much signal
life or death in early

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development, right?
And that gonna is going to set

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the system up for
hyper-vigilance for fight.

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Flight, freeze, appease, where
we're losing access to our upper

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brain of logic and reason, and
we're defaulting to our lower

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brain.
That is completely organized

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around survival, and that
imprints, upon us, and sets up

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an entire cycle of behaviors and
beliefs.

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And You know, nervous system
drives that can in the long run

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although they're trying to
protect us and save us, can

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really deplete us can really
wipe out, you know, our life

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force energy and I appreciate
that definition of trauma, two.

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You know, trauma is not just the
bad things that happened to us.

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It can also be an early
development, not getting enough

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of the good things.
So trauma can be too much too

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soon or too much for too long or
not enough for too long.

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And so yeah, my my journey into
the world of healing was first

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and foremost to start to
address.

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You know, what was debilitating,
chronic pain and anxiety, and

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depression.
That at first, I really didn't

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understand was, you know,
symptomatic of unresolved

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trauma.
And I found that a lot of

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traditional approaches to
therapy and Healthcare were

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really ill equipped to address
the residue of trauma that was

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stored in my body.
That was keeping Me stuck in

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these cycles of pain depression
and anxiety which there's a big

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relationship between those three
all being trauma response.

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So yeah over the years I've just
been on a path of Discovery and

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growth and as I've unraveled my
spine and you know no longer

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live in pain, anxiety, or
depression.

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I've really learned how to
reverse engineer.

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What?
I have learned to now make as

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practical and accessible of a
healing system.

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Possible.
It's really helped.

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People have the power to heal
themselves in their own hands.

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Boo, that's what I find time and
time again.

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And everything I've ever done
with with a client is something

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that I first saw it and used on
myself for my own healing.

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So it sounds like that's your
experience as well.

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Yeah, and I think the value in
that I was just speaking with a

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client the other day that they
are learning and growing and

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healing just as much from my
example as they are from what I

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teach and practice.
And that's really just helping

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to normalize just The Human
Condition.

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I think there's so much stigma
around mental health.

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And, you know, my take is that.
What if our anxiety and our

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depression and our pain are
actually healthy responses to an

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unhealthy environment, and that
implies, then that perhaps that

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is really coming from a place of
our own Humanity, at our own

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sensitivity, to The Human
Condition.

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And that is actually a really
good thing and To dissolve and

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set aside any stigma around
mental health, gives us the

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opportunity to develop a healing
practice, that is not just about

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resolving pain, but actually
helping to open us up to our

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human potential.
Yeah, I could not agree more.

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I've so I was diagnosed as
bipolar at age.

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I think 13 and had felt
depression anxiety as young as I

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can remember, but and it always
seemed that getting any of those

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labels met.
You you're doing something

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wrong.
Something was broken.

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It wasn't working, right?
But as you said sometimes, the,

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the most ideal proper reaction
to something is being depressed

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about it or being anxious about
it, that that is part of our

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natural.
So it's part of our natural

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healing to have those reactions
at times.

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Yeah.
You know, I find well, you know,

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a lot of folks and, you know, I
think there's a time and a place

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for pain and symptom management,
you know, I want to honor that

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but a lot of times when we get a
diagnosis it makes it real easy

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for the pharmaceutical companies
to slap a drug at it.

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And again, there's a time and a
place, but a lot of folks are

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being told we need to treat this
chemical imbalance, even the

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research hasn't proven that
Unbalanced is the cause of

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anxiety or depression.
And the implication there is

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that, well, you have a chemical
imbalance.

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So something's wrong with you.
That needs to be fixed.

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That needs to be addressed
without actually looking at.

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Well, what if that chemical
imbalance is actually just a

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symptom of again, attachment
wounding not having our

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developmental needs met and
unresolved trauma and those

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pieces are very much related to
the environment, right?

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But in treating the individual,
it's putting all the focus on

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the individual as if it's their
sole problem to resolve.

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When this is much more of a
larger societal, you know piece

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where that's the other piece
around trauma.

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I think it's any lived
experience that we that is

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overwhelming, historically that
we have had to carry the weight

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of in isolation, so a lack of
safety and a lack of support.

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And so we're living in a culture
that feeds off of fear that

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feeds off of division.
Which is going to have a very

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caustic effect on our bodies,
our brains our nervous system.

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I remember one of the biggest
leaps I had in my growth and

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healing was the day.
I realized, I wasn't just some

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random collection of chemicals
and that I was more to that.

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And you know, I wasn't just this
meat suit that there was more to

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me and there was a source energy
and there was something the

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ability to heal anything.
I had gone through did exist.

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And another thing you mentioned
was was being overwhelmed by

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something and I find that that
state of being overwhelmed, It

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is just different from every
person, the same experience

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might make trauma in one person
and not in another is, do you

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find that?
Sure.

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Yeah, I mean, we all have a
different window of tolerance,

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for different circumstances,
right?

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So what has one of us lose
access to our upper?

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Brain reason is going to have
logic and reason is going to be

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different than what overwhelms
and flood someone else's nervous

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system.
So yeah, this is very

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personalized and, you know,
there is a story of a child

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Witness 911.
And that experience did not

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imprint upon them as PTSD
because they had support.

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And it was actually the lens
through which they saw the

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experience, they drew like a
drawing of the experience.

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And what the drawing actually
really centered and focused on

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was all of the First Responders,
right?

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So, they were orienting their
brain and their awareness to the

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helpers as opposed to just the
harm and the danger, right?

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Right?
So the the brain wasn't focused

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on just what was bad and wrong,
it was focused on what was

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positive and good.
So that didn't imprint as a

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traumatic experience for that
child.

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You know, they didn't walk away
with PTSD and there's something

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to that, right?
And that's the mindfulness.

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That is so necessary and healing
is the Mind training to

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reorient, the brain from Pain to
possibility.

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And also to help dissolve
identification with the

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Experience because there's a big
difference.

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When we say I'm overwhelmed
versus I'm experiencing

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something overwhelming, right?
So that distinction helps us

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create a space between us and
what we're experiencing.

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So we don't assume that
experience as who we are because

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that identification with
experience, then starts to embed

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it.
And then instead of it just

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being a passing experience that
comes and goes it starts To

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stick around so that the chronic
pain, that you grew up with, was

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that all related to the spinal
issues.

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So, you know, I came into this
world with scoliosis which, you

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know, there's a hereditary
component or genetic component

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to that and I look at that
anything that's hereditary or

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genetic can become kind of the
flypaper for, you know, trauma

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and other adverse experiences to
stick onto and to then

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aggravate.
And a lot of Folks would say

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that, you know, healing or
unraveling a severe curve on my

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spine.
I can't tell you how many

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doctors told me that that's
impossible, despite that being

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my experience and the more I
talk about it, I'm podcast I'm

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meeting other people who have
had similar experiences.

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So you know, that I think
there's a limitation in

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prognosis as well because if we
start to believe in what's

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possible or what's not possible
that's going to either expand,

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you know what we can experience
this.

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Truth or limit it.
And so I suspect that a lot of

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the scoliosis was aggravated and
intensified because of the

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trauma that latched onto it.
You know, I kind of geek out on

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how the body works and you know,
trauma gets stored in the

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connective tissue and fascia and
the connective tissue and fascia

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is also where we're storing
beliefs and we're we're storing

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emotions and memories.
You know, the conscious mind is

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5% of what we Think, and what we
believe, you know.

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So the majority of what we
actually, it's what we think we

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believe, but what we really
believe, the 95% is the

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subconscious and unconscious
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And that's stored in the body.
That's stored in the tissues and

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stored in the cells and that
starts to get reflected in our

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posture, the connective tissue,
where we're storing all of this

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information pulls on the muscles
and Bones.

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So, you know, the posture I was
assuming when I was identified

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with pain identified with
wounding was one of Of guarding

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and protection, right?
And so closing in on my heart,

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you know, that's very much a
depressed state right to breast

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barreling into self.
And so, as I was able to start

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to repattern these behaviors and
beliefs using tools, that

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actually help to flush it out
through the body, the somatic

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system, the Energy System, then
I was no longer carrying that

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same costume, right?
I'm no longer carrying the same

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belief system.
As and behaviors and then

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musculoskeletal skeletal
patterning that mimics, you

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know, the wounding.
And so there's a very direct

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link between what we think and
what we believe and what we

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feel.
And you know what, we're Howard,

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experiencing our bodies, and
that's going to have a ripple

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effect on our physiological
function.

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Hormonal balance, you know, our
brain nervous system in all of

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it.
What were some of the first

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programs or experiences or
things that you did that, that

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gave you a sense of hope and
that you you could heal

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everything.
You've been dealing with.

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Yeah, I had a friend who was a
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offered me a massage and at the
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Chronic pain that I did not want
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I did not want a massage.
I thought that would be too

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painful and she said, well, how
about some Energy Medicine, some

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Reiki?
And at the point, I had never

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heard of energy medicine or a
key that was completely foreign

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to me, but I had implicit trust
in her and I was in a lot of

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pain and she said, well, I don't
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I can, you know, or just use
very light touch and within

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moments, I realized I found
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I didn't even know it was
looking for it was as if I had

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suspended above my pain body
because at that point, all I

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knew was my pain.
So I was identified with my pain

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That's that's all that was and I
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taste of myself outside of my
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Which was yeah, really
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there's really something here
and I get to now investigate

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that, you know, and a lot of
folks, especially if we're used

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to taking a drug to medicate to
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where you were really condition
to have these quick fixes in

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these silver bullets.
You know, I got a glimpse of my

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My who I am outside of my pain
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that then that made me really
hungry to seek out, what are the

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other practices and tools and
wisdoms, that can help me

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cultivate that relationship my
relationship to that part of me,

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right?
Because up until that point, you

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know, my brain, my nervous
system and my body were just

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creating this vicious cycle that
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This relationship I had with my
pain body, which was continuing

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to activate this.
Sympathetic nervous system which

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is this fight/flight response,
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So I was just always on guard
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sense of oh who am I?
If I'm not in this chronic state

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of fight or flight if I'm not on
guard and that's the essence of

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a mindfulness-based practice to
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feels like to have a relaxed
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So it sounds like they were his
Decades of chronic pain before

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you discover the energy Energy
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Yeah, at that point, you know,
through high school and college.

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I was just medicating with
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And, you know, once I left
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didn't want the, I didn't want
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That just didn't seem like a
smart safe, sustainable pathway

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forward and I literally was
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and pain meds because I thought
that's all I knew, you know, as

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A kid I grew up with chronic ear
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there's nothing more.
I wanted them to go to a doctor,

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take a pill and get better.
I wanted someone to fix me and

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so I was you know really going
to continue on that path and

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then I just had this this
experience that really put me on

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a new trajectory that I'm so
grateful for because, you know,

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we I think there's more and more
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happening today.
So there's more awareness of

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healing and Alternative Health.
Alternative approaches to you

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know, supporting Body Mind
Spirit.

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But at that point, it was all,
you know, new news to me.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Mary for me it was I think was
2008 before I had ever heard

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Energy Medicine and had an
experience of like, really

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feeling energy come into me and
feel me or not.

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I had thought meditation meant,
you know, sitting silently and

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having no thoughts.
Not that a sort of meditative

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experience could be energizing
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But you know what?
I wanted to ask what you thought

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were some common mistakes.
He's around trauma and healing.

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And but I feel like you've hit a
couple.

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At least already is so medicate
with alcohol.

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So self-medicating or, you know,
looking for that silver bullet

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and perhaps overmedicating like
a body's proper emotional

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response to something.
What else do you see is common

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mistakes?
No, so, you know for me the

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Energy Medicine was a really
critical piece that helped me

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start to heal.
Some of the pain that I found I

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was unable to think or talk my
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Real.
And don't get me wrong, I think

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talk therapy can be very
valuable.

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It's helped me a ton but to some
degree as much as it gave me a

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good intellectual, understanding
of some of my pain, some of my

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wounding, some of my
developmental trauma didn't do

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the trick in terms of helping to
flush it out of where it was

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being held within my body,
right?

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So I was still struggling with
pain, so I think it's

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understanding that.
There's just some pain, we can't

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think or talk Talk our way
through.

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Because actually, the more we
talk about our pain, the more it

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activates the sympathetic
nervous system and the more that

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will actually make our pain
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And so finding alternative ways
to actually address the are

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wounding, whether it's anxiety,
depression, chronic pain, or

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trauma more through the body
somatically and more

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energetically through different
types of energy medicine.

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So I think that's really
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And yeah, I think this whole
idea, Idea of that, there's

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nothing bad or wrong with us.
So, again removing the stigma as

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we kind of touched on already to
realize that, you know, because

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I put up until that point, it
almost felt like there was a

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monster living inside of me that
you know, this this pain was

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this monster that I was so bent
on fighting against and, you

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know, trying to fix and that
just aggravated it that just

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made it stronger.
So realizing that, what if this

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pain is An earlier part of
ourselves that needs loving

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attention.
So I think healing is developing

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a really robust compassionate,
relationship from ourselves to

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ourselves and, you know, the
essence of how I think I work

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through a trauma-informed.
Lens is we can't force that

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process, right?
It's more about slowing down to

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speed up and developing more of
a capacity to be with what is

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and instead of fighting against
what is, you know, a big piece

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of my Work is how do we start to
cultivate a sense of radical

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acceptance and love for what is
which can feel really

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counterintuitive to love our
pain?

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Because we want the pain to go
away.

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But actually that sense of
acceptance helps to disarm it.

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It helps our system start to
integrate it.

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And, you know, I think a lot of
these trauma responses that are

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organized around isolation and
alienation also have a lot of us

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thinking that it's not safe to
get Get support.

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And we've had to figure out so
much on our own.

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So I think a lot of folks think,
well, I'm just gonna have to

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figure this out on my own, and
as mammals were social

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creatures, and we are not meant
to live in isolation and we

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certainly can't heal in
isolation, you know, everything

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is relational.
So, you know, we have been hurt

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relationally and we then he'll
relationally.

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So that's a big piece.
I like like too many others have

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felt hopeless and helpless
plenty of times in my life.

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Do you believe that all trauma
can be healed?

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It's your question.
I Have come from a place of

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complete Despair and just you
know putting my arms up in the

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air and a lot of folks who come
to me.

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They literally are at the end of
their rope, you know?

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I thinking of one client who
came to me, after literally

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Decades of talk therapy and
their psychiatrist, referred

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them to me because they realized
that, although they were

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medicating for their PTSD and
their complex trauma, that was

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just helping them kind of tread
water and stay afloat.

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It wasn't actually addressing
the Underbelly.

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So yeah, I think that there's a
great possibility for us to

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heal, you know, and my Approach
isn't so much on focusing on the

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pain or the trauma.
My Approach is actually helping

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people reconnect to their innate
wisdom and innate.

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Wisdom was a term developing
Chiropractic decades ago.

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That if we get a paper cut
there's some healing mechanism

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inside of us that since
platelets and proteins and It's

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all these biochemical
transmissions and just trauma,

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wounding stress accidents
injuries hereditary

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environmental factors, you know,
short circuit our connection to

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our innate wisdom.
And when we lose connection to

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our innate wisdom, then it
compromises our ability to heal

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to, you know, work through just
the adverse experiences that

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kind of get piled onto us
through life.

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So yeah, I think it's really
remarkable how we can.

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In fact, reconnect to our innate
wisdom, you know, and another

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piece, something you said
earlier, just made me think of

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it.
But in Chinese medicine, there's

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a concept of shen or spirit and
it's like into the light that

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shines through our eyes and the
idea is that it's one light that

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is shining through all of our
eyes.

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And so, you know, when I've been
depressed and you can, we can

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see it in ourselves and others,
if we're going through a hard

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time.
It's like Eyes can kind of glaze

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or fog over.
And it's like, there's just not

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as much of that brightness
coming through our eyes.

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And so, it's like a
disconnection to Spirit a

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disconnection, to the hole.
And so, you know, I think it's

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sometimes could be a long windy
and bumpy road to reclaim that

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connection to Spirit and to
community and to ourselves and

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others, but I think with the
right tools and support it's

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very much as possible.
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So it's not as if someone had
their innate wisdom removed or

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they were somehow created
without it, it's just the

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connection to it.
Is what's missing?

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Yeah, that's the connection gets
distorted know, another way to

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think of it and I kind of this
is how when people ask me, how

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does energy medicine work?
You know, I talk about how the

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body Mind and Spirit are like a
symphony orchestra and all the

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different parts of the body from
every muscle to every cell to

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every thought to every hormones.
Every tissue ligament, you know,

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hormone you know, are in
constant communication but when

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we lose connection to that
innate wisdom, because of stress

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or trauma, and the nervous
system, short circuits, then all

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of a sudden these different
parts that were in harmony start

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to, you know, lose their
communication with one another.

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So it's like they turn their
backs on each other and so

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healing is just going back in to
restore that communication,

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right?
So it's breaking up the noise,

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Or the interference patterns of
the distortions so we can come

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back into the harmonic resonance
that we are, right.

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So when we're experiencing
Health there's this musicality

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of being and that resonance is
really innate to who we are.

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It's the natural expression of
our wholeness.

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So yeah, healing is just about
breaking the Distortion

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patterns, that noise that is
getting in the way of just us,

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remembering Who We Are.
So it could be the culmination

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of The Lies.
We Tell ourselves through

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negative self-talk, or what
Society, parents School,

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whatever is told us about, you
know, that that you are your

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scoliosis.
You are your depression.

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And the only thing that works is
this medicine and that just that

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that that gnomes are innate
wisdom.

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Yeah, and yeah, that numbing
piece is a big part, right?

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Dissociation.
Just kind of like a bird that

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flies into a window and drops to
the ground and it's frozen.

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You know, it may look dead.
I mean, in some cases Says, it

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may be but oftentimes the bird
is just in shock, right?

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It can't absorb and fully
process.

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The impact of flying into the
window.

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And so that experience, it takes
time for the system to absorb

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and as it is able to absorb it,
the shock wears off that freeze

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response wears off and then it
starts to Twitch and get the

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wind beneath its wings and it
can take off again.

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And so, when trauma continues to
pile up on our body, Dr. Brain

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and nervous system.
It becomes too much for us to

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feel right?
So healing is very much helping

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us develop the capacity to feel
what historically was too much

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and in doing so we start to
reclaim our own ability to feel

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ourselves and you know that
sense of touch interception is

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the pathway to more presence in
agency, right?

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And that's often what gets
hijacked with trauma, you know,

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both presence and agency.
So it's reclaiming.

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Them, I'm always amazed at how
natural it is for every animal.

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But us to that debit, little
Shake It Off ability, just

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physical release.
And you know, I don't think

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shivering is close to that
that's response to cold

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00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,100
normally.
But do you think, you know,

455
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:18,200
early man was just like other
animals and we got a wormhole we

456
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
could literally shake it off and
have some physical release or do

457
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,300
you think we've just been
different since creation when it

458
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:29,300
comes to that?
Skip question, that's a good

459
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,200
question.
I'm not sure of that, but I know

460
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,200
that movement and actual shaking
is very much one of my go-to S.

461
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,200
And you know, I have as much as
there's no silver bullets to

462
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,400
actually heal trauma.
I do think there are some facts

463
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,100
that when our nervous system
gets flooded and you know, we

464
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,800
are in that state of overwhelm
that we can help to come back to

465
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,400
a baseline of nervous system,
regulation and shaking is. one

466
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,800
of them you know I saw just on a
nature show a gazelle being

467
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,400
chased by a cheetah and the
moment the gazelle realized it

468
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,300
was safe because the cheetah
gave up the chase it

469
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:11,700
instantaneously just shook and
then went back to rest and

470
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:16,500
digest just like eating grass
right so what the gazelle does

471
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:20,000
that we can learn from is shake
the stress response off instead

472
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200
of think about it, retell the
story you know in that case for

473
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,800
the gazelle that was Life or
death stress incident then.

474
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,500
So, we can be back in the safety
and comfort of our own homes

475
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:37,100
after a stressful incident, and
we're just replaying it

476
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,900
undermines.
We're picking up the phone

477
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:42,400
telling, friends about it, were
texting about it, so we are

478
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,700
replaying it instead of shaking
it off.

479
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,700
And so that's, that's a practice
that we learn how to develop

480
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:52,000
that capacity.
It's funny an experience I had I

481
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,100
told so last month, I was in Las
Vegas.

482
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,100
And I did is 855 foot jump off
the the strap Tower and it

483
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,700
wasn't a bungee jump.
It was as funny that I did it

484
00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:04,700
without asking how is this work.
But I was on a cable and it was

485
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,800
somehow at the last, you know,
30 feet had breaks built into

486
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
it.
So it was I was in a free fall.

487
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,200
It lasted, 19 seconds.
I went as fast as 45 miles per

488
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,700
hour and I was able to just land
on my feet and when I did I was

489
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:21,900
I was all chipped up.
I was like well and life.

490
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:25,400
It like felt like every cell was
tingling and A good 90 minutes

491
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,900
for it to wear off.
And yeah, I need to do something

492
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:28,800
else.
Physicals, I could never tell

493
00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:30,400
someone I want to get in a
fight.

494
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,400
I like I'm jacked up.
I'm gonna go do some things and

495
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,700
they're just probably walking
along the strip after 90

496
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,700
minutes.
I finally felt normal again but

497
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,000
that would been a terrific time
it just really shake it off and

498
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,500
they needed some physical
release to get rid of that that

499
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,100
excess adrenaline that I had
produced in my body.

500
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,800
Yeah.
Now there's that extra that

501
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800
extra charge that we just need
to learn how to yeah discharge

502
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,400
release.
So tell me more about what

503
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,900
you've developed the Prisma.
Sure.

504
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,700
Yeah.
So Prisma is a trauma and

505
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:06,300
Neuroscience roadmap which is an
eight week course that when

506
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,000
folks drawing my community or
work with me, one-on-one have

507
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,800
access to this course.
And that has a bunch of tools

508
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,300
and practices that help people
do just that learn how to First

509
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,600
identify the nervous system and
understand how the brain and the

510
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,100
body function in relationship to
stress and Trauma.

511
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,500
So we can start to bring
awareness, awareness is the

512
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,700
first step, you know, and I
developed this roadmap because I

513
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,100
found, you know, on my healing
journey I was going to therapist

514
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:37,300
and healers actually, for
probably years before I even

515
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:40,500
understood with the nervous
system was and if I just had

516
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,100
this knowledge base, it would
have number one, helped me have

517
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,600
a better understanding of where
I am and where I'm headed.

518
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
But it also would have helped me
to normalize my experiences to

519
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,400
not pathologize my own pain in
my own wounding and how my ADI

520
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,500
brain and nervous system are
responding to my pain and

521
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,200
wounding.
So within that roadmap of the

522
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,000
seven Prisma pillars, which
really help people kind of map a

523
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,900
journey from Pain to purpose and
that's from nervous system

524
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:11,000
regulation to embodiment getting
into our body to emotional

525
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,900
Attunement.
So that's working through the

526
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,400
unmet needs of early development
to values alignment.

527
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,100
So we can shift from fear-based
motivation to what were inspired

528
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:25,900
to move towards instead of away
from Narration where we can

529
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,700
really flip the script on the
Sub Conscious and the

530
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,100
unconscious, you know, behaviors
beliefs.

531
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,100
And narratives that were telling
ourselves, that can be organized

532
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,100
around pain and really keeping
us stuck so reorienting to

533
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,500
possibility identity which is
really shifting our identity.

534
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,600
So we're not organized around
pain and wounding but

535
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,500
possibility so we can experience
ourselves as Dynamic change in

536
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,600
process, you know, in bringing
that back to health, I look at

537
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,200
disease.
These as stagnation and I look

538
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,300
at Health as movement and
expression.

539
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:02,100
So can we have an experience of
ourselves that's

540
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,900
moment-to-moment?
Then that's not stuck and static

541
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,500
and then impact can we redefine
purpose from intrinsic

542
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,200
motivation instead of extrinsic
motivation and can purpose?

543
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,100
Be more about who we are and
less about what we do.

544
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,800
It's more about how we how we
are showing up instead of the

545
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,600
actual thing.
We're performing.

546
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,200
And so yeah, there's a lot of
research around how purpose is

547
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,400
really necessary piece to
developing resilience.

548
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400
So the 7 Prisma pillars kind of
touch upon, you know, really

549
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:40,300
integral components to finding a
sense of Greater wholeness and

550
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,900
cohesiveness within ourselves.
So then that's paired with the

551
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,900
somatic in the mindfulness based
practices, which is the Mind

552
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,200
training that we kind of spoke
about to shift from Pain to

553
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,700
possibility and to continue to
dissolve, that identification

554
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:56,500
with whoo.
Wounding and then the Energy

555
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,400
Medicine piece.
That's really the vehicle that

556
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,500
helps us to heal the
Subterranean patterns of trauma

557
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,900
stored in the body.
That yeah, we otherwise can't

558
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:07,800
think or talk our way through,
you know, the function of Energy

559
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,300
Medicine to helps to calm the
cardiovascular system regulate

560
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,600
the nervous system, it
strengthens immune function and

561
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,900
so in doing.
So it's reconnecting us to that.

562
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:21,700
Any wisdom and restoring that
Symphony Orchestra that we are

563
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:23,500
by just breaking up all that
noise.

564
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,900
So over the years, I found that
those pieces when paired with

565
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,800
each other, just give people a
really comprehensive set of

566
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,900
tools and practices to to make
sense of their pain and to then

567
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,300
set their sights on, you know, a
life that is more meaningful, a

568
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,800
sense of purpose, place and
significance.

569
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:48,600
With all the things that you
have experienced and studied and

570
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,200
put into your own programs.
Does any one thing stand out as

571
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,600
boy?
I wish I knew this one at a

572
00:32:54,608 --> 00:32:56,500
younger age than I had found it
up.

573
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:04,800
Gosh, I mean all of it.
Yeah I mean had I had access to

574
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,500
these tools.
I would you know, I could have I

575
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:12,200
remember literally being in
Junior High, I mean I was in

576
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,400
pain and elementary school but
you know, So when you're that

577
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,600
young, like your, you kind of
override it and, but by Junior

578
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,700
High, I remember just like that
pain body that residue was like,

579
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,100
like starting to drip in more
like molasses, it's also when my

580
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:31,000
parents split up.
And so, I think that kind of

581
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000
was, you know, because sometimes
we have all of these

582
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:37,600
subconscious and unconscious
patterns, and then that are

583
00:33:37,608 --> 00:33:39,700
stored in the body creating an
imbalance.

584
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,400
And then, you know, how to
client years ago, who they said,

585
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
but then they went and like It's
a reach for a pencil and that's

586
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,000
what threw their back out,
right?

587
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,900
So it's like that one piece of
my parents splitting up in

588
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,900
seventh grade was just like the
last straw, but then I just felt

589
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:59,500
like the accumulation of all
this wounding, really start to

590
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
to grip.
And so, you know, I could have

591
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,300
saved myself over a decade of
like going to this chiropractor.

592
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:10,000
Nothing Chiropractic can be
really valuable but when there

593
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,199
is a lot of trauma holding the
spine out of balance.

594
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,300
It's like You may move it into a
new pattern and then it just

595
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,100
gets pulled back through the
connective tissue and facha.

596
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,100
So I could have saved myself a
decade of yeah, self-medicating

597
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,699
and finding going to, you know,
healer and practitioners and

598
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:32,100
therapists in, you know,
treatments that just weren't

599
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:35,300
really meeting the where I was
at or moving the needle on my

600
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:39,000
pain.
So once you dealt with the

601
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,699
unresolved trauma and your
mindset and energy work your

602
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:49,100
spine, literally unraveled and
extended on its own.

603
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,900
Not, it wasn't a one and done,
so I'd say yeah.

604
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,300
But I do remember my second when
I, after I had that first

605
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,500
experience with my friend who
introduced me to Energy

606
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,400
Medicine, I had a handful of
sessions with her throughout

607
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,300
that year.
She looked two hours away at the

608
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,900
time.
And then when I moved to

609
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:07,600
Seattle, I started to study
Reiki.

610
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,600
Intensely, and my Reiki teacher,
was a therapist.

611
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,800
And she also practice a
Healthcare System called

612
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,900
bodytalk which is another
modality that I practice and

613
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:19,400
within my second session with
her.

614
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,900
Her, you know, she balanced some
hormones to some emotions to

615
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,800
some memories, and I got off the
table.

616
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:28,800
And my spine just started to
like crack and adjust.

617
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,400
And it's a I probably reclaimed
about a half inch and that

618
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,800
further than that second session
with her and then gradually over

619
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,400
time, you know, with more
meditation and with more, you

620
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,800
know, Energy Medicine and all
these pieces just bit by bit

621
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,800
just continuing to unravel.
So gradual process over.

622
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:53,100
Yeah, the last 20 years This is
just amazing, whether it whether

623
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,200
took the entire lifetime.
Just that again, I'm sure so

624
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,600
many doctors said, a physical
impossibility yet yet here you

625
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,700
are.
Yeah, cool.

626
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,400
I wonder if there's a particular
book or a practice or program

627
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:12,100
that you've experienced that you
would recommend as someone's

628
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,300
like, very first step if
everything we talked about so

629
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,600
far are just as going, like,
over someone's head, you know

630
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,200
what's like a nice introduction.
You know, I think the

631
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,200
breadcrumbs that lead people to
a healing path are unique for

632
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,400
each person.
So for me, even before I was

633
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800
introduced to Energy Medicine, I
was probably just starting to

634
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,700
read some books on mindfulness
and meditation.

635
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,600
And so and for me time and
nature was just a really good

636
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,100
way to reconnect with myself, a
lot of my students like in my

637
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,200
work to the book, the body keeps
the score.

638
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,000
So for folks who Want to develop
a better understanding of how we

639
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,700
hold trauma inside the body that
could be kind of triggering for

640
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:59,400
folks to and, you know, I so
what I like is to actually give

641
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,900
people actual practices to help
them heal, instead of just

642
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:06,300
having an intellectual
understanding of, you know, pain

643
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:11,400
and wounding but give people
practical access to just ways to

644
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,000
heal.
So I'd say Reiki, I'd say

645
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,400
meditation.
I'd say mindfulness movement are

646
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,600
all big pieces.
I think it's just the most

647
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,700
important thing is to do
something and if what you've

648
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:26,300
been doing has been working, do
something different.

649
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Yeah.
And just follow keep following

650
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,700
those breadcrumbs where you know
you may work with a practitioner

651
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,000
or a therapist or a Healer and
you know that may not be the

652
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000
right fit but then, you know,
don't just throw out that no

653
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,200
healer or no therapist or you
know, this or that is valuable

654
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,800
you just have so much of the
therapeutic benefit of any

655
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,900
Experience is not just the
actual modality.

656
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,000
It's the the relationship you
have.

657
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,600
So it's about finding you know
someone who you can really build

658
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,400
rapport and trust and that's
where you develop the

659
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,800
psychological safety for the
body and the brain and the

660
00:38:04,808 --> 00:38:07,700
nervous system to start to re
pattern.

661
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:12,300
But again what I find the value
of synthesizing Energy Medicine

662
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,800
with cymatics and mindfulness
and Trauma and Neuroscience is

663
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,800
so you can actually heal on all
levels.

664
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:23,200
You know, there's an idea that
the body heals top-down or

665
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,600
bottom-up, meaning, for some
folks, depending on how they're

666
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,400
wired, they need to actually
figure some things out in a

667
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,900
lecture Ali before it trickles
down and shifts things in their

668
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,500
body.
For other people, they process

669
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,100
bottom up.
So they need to feel something

670
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:43,000
shift physically in their body.
Before the light bulb goes off

671
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,700
in their brain.
What I love about working with

672
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,900
Energy Medicine, is I look at
healing is happening.

673
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Ting multi-directional e.
So for example I had a client

674
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,400
years ago that had a
football-sized fibroid that you

675
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,300
know through our work together,
started to dissolve and Shrink.

676
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,800
But really what we were doing
was addressing how that was the

677
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,500
overwhelming experience of grief
and fear and shame from lots of

678
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,600
lived experiences that at that
time at one point we're too

679
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,900
overwhelming.
So helping her system have the

680
00:39:16,908 --> 00:39:22,500
capacity to process those Oceans
help to shrink the the fibroid

681
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,800
but in doing so, you know,
behaviors and beliefs started to

682
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,800
shift.
So moving into healthier

683
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,800
relationships and you know
moving forward on a career path

684
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,100
that had felt halted.
So it's like when we start to

685
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,100
shift things in one area of the
body, it's signaling to the

686
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:43,300
brain and the nervous system to
start to re pattern as well.

687
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,500
And so there's something really
elegant and profound about how

688
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:51,600
effective Energy Medicine.
In is to heal Body Mind and

689
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,000
Spirit simultaneously instead of
just kind of top-down or

690
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,700
bottom-up.
Yeah.

691
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,600
That that really describes my
experiences with it as well,

692
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,500
that it's again.
Neurosurgery.

693
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,300
Oh, we're multi-dimensional
beings.

694
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,100
And when you really get into
indirect missing like, oh wow,

695
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:10,000
yeah, we are and I can kind of
feel the healing Ripple through

696
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,400
through all those different
aspects of me.

697
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:17,100
So also, so while we're just a
few days into this new year, I

698
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,800
wonder what are you looking
forward to Greg?

699
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,100
I love it.
Well, in the this past year, in

700
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the fall, I started doing some
Open Water swims.

701
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,500
I live here in San Francisco,
and so as the weather continues

702
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:35,300
to get a little colder and foggy
here, I'm looking forward to

703
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,700
continuing to challenge myself,
to get out into the Open Water.

704
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,900
That's been really invigorating,
and just a whole new.

705
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:48,000
Excuse me, a great practice to
just help me move beyond the

706
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,300
limitations of My mind and the
fears that I have and

707
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,900
creativity, you know, I've
choked years ago that I'd reach

708
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,200
a point in my own healing path
that it would just open me up to

709
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800
more of my own creativity.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to

710
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,500
making more art and to spending
more time in nature and I have a

711
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,700
background in activism.
So before I was on this healing

712
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,300
path, I was an activist, so very
purpose and Mission driven.

713
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:18,800
So I'm kind of feeling into how
to all these worlds, collide.

714
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,200
Terms of my healing and my
activism and just my artistic

715
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,300
kind of sense.
So I'm kind of in that inquiry

716
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,000
and just looking forward to
carving out more space for all

717
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,000
of that.
Sounds interesting, powerful and

718
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,800
needed.
So, cool.

719
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:40,700
So Greg, what's the best way for
people to learn more about you

720
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:43,900
and everything that you're up to
and and are creating sure?

721
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
Yeah, correct.
Waiting.com is where folks can

722
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,100
learn about me.
I have limited space to I work

723
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,400
with clients one-on-one, and
then I also have the person, of

724
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,600
course, and community, that has
the entire training program with

725
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,800
the energy medicine.
And so, yeah, folks can learn

726
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,800
about me there and it all starts
with a phone call.

727
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,000
So you schedule, you know, a
discovery call and we get to

728
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800
learn where you're at.
Where you want to be, you know

729
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,400
what you've tried?
What's worked?

730
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,100
What hasn't, what are your
goals?

731
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:14,800
And it's really an opportunity
for us to vet each other out so

732
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,600
we can discern.
If working together is going to

733
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600
create a win-win No, I'm all
about getting people results.

734
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,700
So there's like dozens of
testimonials on my website.

735
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:27,000
So folks can get a feel for how
I've helped other folks, and if

736
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,200
they see themselves and some of
that potential within

737
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,700
themselves.
Yeah we get on a call and we

738
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,300
feel into can you know an arc of
transformation together?

739
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:39,200
Be the right fit?
Awesome.

740
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,400
Well thanks for joining me
today.

741
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Greg, thanks for this this this
great in-depth talk.

742
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
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