Moonshot Mission for Mankind & Humanity

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Hello and welcome to real men.
Feel I'm your host author coach,

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and healer and e-grant.
Real men feel is here to remind

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you.
That men are human beings and

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they have the right, the need
and the desire to express all of

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their emotions.
You can learn more about how I

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help people do that by visiting
the Andy Grant.com.

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Today is the first show of 2022
with a guest, and there really

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is only one, man.
I could invite to live up to

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that lofty expectation after
going.

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So long without any guests at
all, and that man is dr.

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Jeff Simon.
Dr. Diamond is one of the

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world's leading experts in
gender medicine and Men's

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Health, he has written 16 books,
including International

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bestsellers, surviving male
menopause, and the irritable

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male syndrome.
He's a licensed psychotherapist

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with a PhD in international
health and a master's degree in

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social work.
His passion is helping men and

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women do four things live, a
fully authentic life, love

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deeply and well, make a positive
difference in the world and

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offer hope and Guidance in these
times of Challenge and

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transformation for more than 50
years jet has been a Pioneer in

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gender specific medicine,
healing trauma.

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And Men's Health to me, most
importantly, than all of those

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wonderful things.
Jed is a teacher mentor and a

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friend of mine and I am thrilled
to be connecting with you.

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Once again, Jed, welcome back to
real men.

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Feel thank you Andy.
It's a pleasure to be with, you,

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always and knees.
Always challenging times.

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It's good to have a brotherly
connection and to be able to be

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exploring these important issues
together.

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You start right there, you said
always challenging times, so

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I've certainly seen more and
more people and experience

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myself, especially challenging
times but is, is challenge

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constant.
Well the way I'm thinking of it

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when I said that is change is
constant, certainly things

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always change.
That's the nature of life.

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But what I'm referring to is
something really more specific

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which is the reality that the
challenges we face as a human

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group of people's on the planet
of the Earth.

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Is getting more and more
problematic for I think

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Humanity.
The problems we face with

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climate change or one indicator
of the imbalance that we have

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the fires that are going on,
where I am in California, the

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constant every summer, we have
more danger and so on.

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So what I'm really talking about
is that the stress levels, if

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you will of All of us are
increasing and it's not all the

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time, but I think we all feel
that things are heating up.

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Things are increasingly
stressful, and we handle them in

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different ways, but I think we
have to acknowledge things are

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difficult these days.
I agree.

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So, I know you have kind of a
personal Moon shot, a new

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moonshot Mission you working on.
So can you tell me what the

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purpose of that is?
Well, it specifically, it's to

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look at a reality that a couple
of researchers actually

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addressed and it's so something,
I think we all feel, but they

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addressed it specifically.
And one of the colleagues was

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Randall, Nessie is an MD and his
colleague dr.

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Krueger and they looked at the
the hell Health and Longevity of

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people in 20 different countries
throughout the world and what

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they found in every country as a
group Men, live sicker, they got

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diseases at higher rates than
females and they died sooner.

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Their life span was shorter.
And I think that was something

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we all kind of intuitively knew,
but they gathered the data that

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indicated that and they came out
with them some very specific

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Responses and implications of
that reality.

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The first one was that when you
look at risk factors for disease

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and early death, all the things
that might predispose us.

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They said the number one risk
factor is simply being male.

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If you just knew nothing else
about somebody that was sick or,

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you know, would die early just
that being male was the number

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one risk factor.
Or that was startling.

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There are other conclusion that
really stood out to me was that

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they said that if we could
simply help men live as healthy

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and long as women as a group, we
would save 375,000 men's lives a

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year in the United States alone.
Just think about 375,000,

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fathers husbands Brothers, all
the Nation ships that we have

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three hundred and seventy-five
thousand a year in the United

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States alone and they're finding
that men live sicker and die

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sooner and every other country
of the world.

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Yes, I knew the mortality rate
was different in the US, I

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didn't and I guess I tribute to
the way we eaten and work and

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live and stress out.
But so, every country they

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looked at the same thing is
happening.

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Exactly.
Well, there are countries where

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as a group were not as healthy
as other countries as United

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States is not as Healthy and
long lived as some other

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countries, but in every country,
whatever it whether they're

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longer lived, or not as long
lived, healthy or less the

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discrepancy between the males in
that country.

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And the females of that country
are such that the male's of, as

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a group Live, get sicker, more
suit sooner and I sooner than

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the women.
So that seems to be Universal.

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And, as you know, it meant
alive.

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I've been trying in my own way
to help the men that come to me

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to write books and all the
things you mentioned.

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But last November, I decided
that we needed to do more.

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If we were really going to make
a difference and when I started

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doing Men's Work back, you know,
50 more than 50 years ago.

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There weren't very many programs
or organizations that were

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really focused on men's health.
Now there are a lot of them.

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So the moonshot ideas if We
could bring together.

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Hundreds thousands of
individuals and millions of

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individual men and women along
with all the good work,

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organizationally that people
like you, and your organization

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are doing it many others.
We could really collectively

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maybe not each one of us working
separately, but if we could join

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forces, if we could become a
support system, a community, a

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movement.
That we could really make a

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difference not only improve the
health of man.

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Decrease the suicide rates which
we know is higher for men than

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for women, violence rates are
higher for men than for women.

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We suffer all kinds of, you
know, heart disease and cancer

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every the top 10 leading cause
of disease higher for males than

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for females.
We could really make a

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difference.
So the moonshot really is a

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group of us now that Come
together to, to initiate a whole

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series of engagements, probably
starting this year, in November

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to bring together the group that
we have to reach out to kind of

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the next group of people that
are interested in this field,

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who want to join it, who want to
help and then to have that

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spread hopefully throughout the
world.

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To the idea of a moonshot came
from the Google X, which it was

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in the Google World.
The they called it, their

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moonshot Factory and that was
where they looked at major

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problems in the world.
And they said, how can we not

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only make a small difference?
A 10% Improvement in some major

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problem, but how could we make
an exponential difference?

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How could we get attend times
effect of improvement rather

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than just a 10% Improvement?
Now, Was there they called it,

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their moonshot Factory.
So I thought this would require

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that kind of endeavor a moonshot
Endeavor, whether it's taken

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somebody to the moon or a 10
times Improvement in men's

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mental health and then maybe a
hundred times until we can

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gather enough momentum to have
men and women together living

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long healthy lives.
You think it was last year that

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you had a really provocatively
titled article saying that At

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healing men would do more good
than curing cancer.

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So is that related to that that
debt in staggering number of, if

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male and female mortality was
just the same.

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If men, if the man was highly
rate, rose up to the female as

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opposed to vice versa that over
325,000 lives would be saved in

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the us alone.
Is that with that that cancer

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metaphors from.
Well, it actually came from that

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study that that quote, was from
the actual researchers.

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They said among other things.
In addition to the The lives,

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that would be saved.
They said, if if we could do

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that, you would do more good in
the world than curing cancer.

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So it was, you know, that same
idea that this is the kind of

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change that could make a huge
difference.

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And I think what's more
important for those of us that

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have been working in the field
of men's health and men's mental

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health, for these years, this is
doable.

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I mean, we know now what we we
can do to help men live

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healthily and have our minds in
tune and our relationships

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healthy.
We know there's a lot of

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programs that are doing this so
it's not like, you know, 30 40,

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50 years ago where we were kind
of in the dark.

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We wanted to help but we didn't
know what to do.

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Now we know what to do.
We just need the, I think,

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concerted effort, the
commitment, the belief, because

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so many People have become
disillusioned, they feel

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hopeless, they feel helpless.
They feel like the world's just

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going to hell in a handbasket
and there's not much we can do

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and people even feel well maybe
not only maybe I'm not worth

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anything.
Maybe I ought to just check out

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I'm not of value to my family or
Community, but maybe humanity is

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just on a step aside and let it
run.

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Gave it her best shot.
Throw in the towel, kind of

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things.
Actually, yeah, and I'm not

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ready to give in.
I think there's a lot that

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Humanity can yet do for good,
not only for ourselves, but for,

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you know, the rest of the
community of Life on planet

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Earth.
And when it clear that you're

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not talking about, just
extending the lives of men, so

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they can be miserable and
lonely, and depressed for

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another decade of on Earth.
It's really that men can improve

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their mental emotional,
spiritual health, and enjoy

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living and want to live.
Longer exactly.

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Right.
You know, nobody wants to live

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long miserably, you know, extend
my miserable life.

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Although I think that's part of
the disheartening depression.

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That's not just individual, but
collective in our in our society

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that you know, what's the use
and particularly in man.

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I mean, there's a reason why the
suicide rate for males who are

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65 and older skyrockets compared
to Emails.

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I mean females get old too and
they have all the, you know,

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disabilities that males have.
But as a group males 65 and

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older commit suicide at rates
six times higher than females of

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the same age.
So there's something about us

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guys that feel a sense of
hopelessness at a certain stage

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so that's the thing, not only to
live longer but to feel in

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Decorated by like I turned 70 80
earlier this year and and I feel

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this is kind of the most
exciting time to be alive and

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these are challenging times, but
we're up for challenge.

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I mean challenge is good and
working together, this can be

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fun, it can be engaging, it can
be, you know, something we can

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pass on to our children,
grandchildren and future

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generations, and you know what,
could be more fun than making

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the world better place for all
of us.

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To live in.
Yeah, I Love Your vitality and

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optimism and energy about this
whole thing, but what makes

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being mailed so deadly?
Well, there's a number of

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things.
There's a small percentage they,

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the researchers say maybe 10%
has to do with genetics has to

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do with the fact that we males.
We know genetically, we have

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every cell 10 trillion cells in
our body.

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They tell us I've encountered
them all but I'll Trust the

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researchers tell me that.
And every cell has, you know,

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chromosomes and one of those
chromosomes one, Of the pair's

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is the sex chromosomes column X
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If you have an X and A Y, your
mail, you and me, we got an X

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and A Y.
If it's a female, we're talking

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to a female has in every 10
trillion cells of her body.

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She has two x's.
And the recent research on

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genetics indicates that having
two x's of those chromosome.

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Pairs gives some and genetic
Outage that females live longer

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because their genes on the X,
that if you've got two pairs, if

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one of them isn't working, the
other can fill in, but if you

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only have one and you have the
small other Y, chromosome, that

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doesn't have, as many, you know,
jeans on it that women then have

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more protection.
So, that's that's makes males

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biologically, perhaps more
vulnerable, the good news is,

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Two things.
One is that we know, even our

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genes are not our destiny that
we used to think that whatever

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genetic benefit or disadvantage
you had it was, you're stuck

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with it.
He is a built-in.

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epigenetics that our gene
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our attitudes, our beliefs are
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So that, even the That a thing,
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A lot of the reason men, die
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behaviors.
How we eat, you know how, we how

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we relate to people, why?
So many men feel lonely and

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don't have the social
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Do you know why we feel that if
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a job and we're not, you know,
successful in the business world

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that somehow we're not useful or
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There's a whole set of things
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very well that if we change
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obviously isn't all men that are
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Some men live, like, my father
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80.
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things he changes.
He stopped smoking sooner than

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she did.
He changed his eating patterns,

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he was less stress.
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mother did.
So these changes are there to be

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had, and we just need to know
about them and then to have the

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support, which I think is the
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You know, if a whole group of
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community of manner relating and
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connection that positivity
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we're just doing our own thing,
the The negativity, the downward

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spiral happened.
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we have to change the patterns
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years and we may not be able to
get men and women to live

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exactly the same number of years
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improve things a great deal and
maybe even help women live

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longer healthier lives as well.
We've certainly improved our

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General Health over the last No
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even better for all of us,
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So, most of the behaviors that
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exercise.
So much of that, I don't think

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there are many men that can say,
oh, I didn't, I didn't realize

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eating better would help me, you
know, so what do you think keeps

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what keeps us from doing the
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What keeps us from wanting to
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actually make us feel better?
But I think there's a number of

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I think, you know, one is the,

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the social context in which many
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being mailed.
So, for instance, I grew up in

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Southern California, the 1950s.
And one of the, the beliefs was

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that in order to really be
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beef, particularly.
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Purrs, you know, bought if you
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hamburgers, chop, steaks, and my
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know, he had a, what was called
at the time, a nervous breakdown

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and ended up in a mental
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So I was raised by single mom
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had was well, my boy needs meet,
you know, to and so with the

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Fertilizing of the time, which
was you get a freezer?

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I still remember you getting,
they you buy a freezer and then

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you'd sign up for these regular
meat deliveries and you'd get

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packaged Steaks and Chops and
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And you know, all kinds of me,
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make me more manly.
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three times a day.
I had a parent, still remember

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hamburger and rice and
applesauce usually for

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breakfast.
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It was quick.
Also, since she was had to go to

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work after my dad left, she had
to do stuff fast and quick fast

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food, defrost, you know,
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Put it in the, you know, the
oven and boom, you got, you got

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breakfast, a chopped for lunch
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So that's an example of that.
Regimen of eating that's

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associated with maleness, or
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There's a lot of other practices
like working hard, and not

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getting enough sleeping, and we
don't need it because we're men,

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we could, we could tough it out,
I don't need, you know, it's not

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good for us.
So a lot of the beliefs we have

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about what it means to be manly.
What it means to be a man are

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toxic, you know, the beliefs are
toxic and not the masculinity is

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not toxic, but the beliefs,
about some aspects of manhood

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are sick and those can change.
So we change those beliefs, we

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change those practices and we
start living longer healthier

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lives.
Yeah, because the most, some of

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the most limiting distorted
views of being a man, almost

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denies that.
You're human, I don't need sleep

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or food or people or anything.
I'm a man and like bull know

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before, where men or women,
where we're humans.

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And we all need that that
connection, that that meeting

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that purpose.
The the love and joy of Life and

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all of those things that again
that stereotypical man, out on

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the plains, doesn't care about
and yeah, good Marlboro Man.

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He smoked a cigarette rides, his
horse and is a loner or you

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know, what you do and what your
logo says, real men.

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Feel you know, and part of what
many of us grew up was real men.

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Keep their feelings inside if
they may feel but you don't show

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them.
You may feel but you should only

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have a limited range of what you
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Feel so it's okay to feel angry,
maybe if you're a certain kind

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of family in my family, even
anger was suppressed, but you

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certainly don't feel sad, you
don't feel scared, you don't

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feel anxious, you don't feel,
you know, hurt, you don't feel,

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you know, even love and
affection and nurture, you know?

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Those are female qualities.
Men are this way and women are

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that way, little boys are made
of sugar or little girls made of

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sugar and spice and everything.
Nice, we're a little boys are

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Eight of snips and snails and
puppy dogs, tails.

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Yeah, that's what little boys
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So, there's these dichotomy that
tells us, there's only so much

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we can be and it's, it's only
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So, we end up all of us, females
and males being restricted.

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I called the man box of what
were restricted and well there's

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a separate but unequal female
The restrictions that women have

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tried to break out of.
And that's part of the the work

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we all have to do together.
Right.

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On your site earlier today,
noticed an African proverb that

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I liked.
It's the child who is not

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embraced by The Village, will
burn it down to feel its warmth.

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So what does that mean to you?
What does that bring to mind?

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Well, it's a number of things.
It's the, the feeling that So

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many of us don't feel embraced
by the village that we feel as

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men, either that our families,
we have to leave them to go off

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to work.
And we don't feel that we have

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time to spend with our children
with our grandchildren.

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So there's that feeling, but I
think in The Wider Society,

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there's a feeling that somehow
we are not getting the support

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from.
Our communities that men are

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being shortchanged.
I think women feel the same way.

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I really don't think it's just
men that are feeling that way

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because I think there's
significant ways in which we're

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all being shortchanged by a
society that's driven by by

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money and profits and away.
Rather than people Health Care

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is you know, is an example of a,
part of the system that's really

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driven by profits more than
Making money on, you know, on

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drugs and other things that may
be less about health and about

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how to make money for large
corporations.

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But I think the feeling of that
that loss turns in particularly

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for males who have testosterone
you know the pretty young males

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and older males, have it too.
But that anger, that rage, that

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comes out where we feel Somebody
must to be to blame for this

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that that it isn't me.
I deserve to be cared for it.

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If I don't then goddamn it.
I'm going to burn the house

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down.
I'm going to burn the village

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down.
I'm going to storm the capital

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and take it over and pull down.
The walls around me.

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There's a lot of that energy
that I think of Hawaii that

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quote I think is apropos of a
lot of what's going on,

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certainly in our country and
other countries throughout the

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world, where there's this
authoritarian.

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In leadership cult that's going
on in many parts of the world

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of.
If we can't solve our problems

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democratically, maybe we need a,
you know, a heavy hand and a an

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authoritarian personality that
will come and just kick some

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butt and take no prisoners and
bomb the the enemies and you

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know and I think there's that
mentality that when you strip it

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of it you know Macho.
Authoritarian strongman ideology

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is really the little wounded
child in there.

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That's so frustrated that you
know I'm going to just burn down

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the village rather than feel
humiliated or shamed for not

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getting what I know I deserve.
Yeah because there's There's an

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ease of going into blame mode
and it's everybody else's fault,

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then taking responsibility.
But but the only way things

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change for the better is by
every individual taking

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responsibility for their own
lives, or their own outlook for

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their own energy and beliefs,
and everything, really, exactly

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and it's it's difficult to do
when it feels like there are

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enemies out there that Our have
to be pushed away and we see it,

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you know, and all sides of the
political Spectrum.

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You know we we feel Under Siege
and I think it's a an

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understandable response to a
complex society.

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I mean things are complicated
and when things Rebecca cost, my

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colleague Rebecca costume, you
know, a book called the

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watchman's rattle that that
looked At at the the way in

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which societies reach a point of
complexity and she looked it

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societies through history and
all over the world.

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We're from the Roman Empire to
the Kaymer Empire.

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Two empires generally that part
of what presaged collapse is the

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things get so complex.
You can't you can't solve the

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problems and so there's some,
some things that you do when you

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can't solve problems.
To you either.

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Start blaming others.
You look for a, scapegoat you,

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you develop, Silo thinking where
you're all in your own little

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world in your own, you watch
your own sports channels, your

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own television here, commentary.
And then you get into this,

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we're the, we're the good guys
and they're the bad guys and all

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I need to know about you is
you're not this party, then you

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must be bad, you know I have to
to oppose you no matter what

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you, what your Your policies are
because you're bad and we're

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good and we got to stop you and
that mentality is destructive

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clearly and is deadly clearly
and one where we can't come

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together as long as we assume
that there's no Bridging the Gap

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and I think it's something that
is not solely but it's

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particularly male that I think
goes back.

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Back to probably our ancient,
you know, roots in, in male

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animal behavior that we sniff
out other males, that may be a

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danger, that may be a threat.
May be a competitor and we

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either get him before he gets us
or we have to check him out or

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you a friend or a foe and once
you're labeled as a faux, then

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either I got to keep you under
wraps.

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Or I've got a I've got To get
you before you get me, that's

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the mentality that I think needs
to change.

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And the moonshot mission that we
have is not only help men live

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longer better, but to also
Bridge.

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The divisions that are so
present between groups of men

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and between men and women and
between different parts of our

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culture.
Yeah.

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They're sort of try to eliminate
everyone being in other and

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create more of an us, exactly?
Right.

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Now, I know that you thought you
had written your last book but I

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understand, you are, you're
currently writing something.

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You want to tell me about that.
Well, this is part of the what's

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come out of the moonshot idea
because I wanted to recognize

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that this this quote that came
out of the, the Nessie and

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Krueger research that the we
could save.

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The lives of three hundred
seventy five thousand men a

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year.
And so this idea of saving males

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which is least the working title
of the new book.

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Saving males is a worthy goal
and that we need some tools.

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And so in the book at least as
its as its developing, there's

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three chapters on the problem
which we've talked some about

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of, you know why men.
Live sicker and die sooner, you

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know, the kind of violence
against going on and then this

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kind of existential threat
throughout the world where we're

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feeling, we're on the edge of
collapse, that's the problem and

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you have a clear sense of the
problem.

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So there's three chapters that
clarify that and then they're

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there are seven chapters on the
solution and ways in which we

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can get more deeply in touch
with our deep.

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Up healthy mail routes where we
can learn to improve our

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relationships with ourselves in
each other.

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So, it's, it's in a sense going
to be the offering to this

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community.
This movement that I'm starting

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will be one of many other
resources that the I and others

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will make available from podcast
like yours to other.

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Groups and organizations that
are working to join this, this

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movement, help, man.
So my book, hopefully will be a

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a small but important part of
that awesome.

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So Jed, what's the best way for
people listening that are

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interested to learn more about
you and learn more about the

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mission?
What's the best way for people

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to do that?
Well my website is is men a

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live.com just one word Emmy Nal.
I ve.com and you scroll down at

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men alive you can read more
about the moonshot mission and

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if you're interested in finding
out more there's a place you can

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leave us here your name and
email address and then we will

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be in touch with you.
People can join the mailing

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list.
I send out a newsletter every

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week where I write an article
that I post on my site.

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So there's a lot of resources
that are there and it's a good

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way to connect with me and can
write me email me at Janet

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mental live.com Read all my
email and I respond to as many

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as I can.
And so I'm accessible and

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available to the degree that you
want to reach out.

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I'm here awesome.
And with 50 years of experience

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and men's health, and mental
health and healing.

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I've got to ask, is there one
habit practice program that that

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stands out that you would like
to pass on to everybody?

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Well, I think there's there's a
couple that I do every day I

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want is I walk my neighborhood.
Some of that was originally for

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health when covid-19 appening I
upped my my walking and just

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physical things to walk Hills to
improve my lung capacity.

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But what I found is, you walk
the community, you talk to

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people every day, not just
people, but birds and animals.

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The deer are out in the In my
neighborhood.

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So I talked to the deer.
Hear the birds.

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So connecting to Nature
connecting, two people

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connecting to community, walking
is kind of an easy relatively

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easy, no matter where you are,
there's places you can walk

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Durbin, rural, wherever.
So, if there was one thing that

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I would tell you, I do every day
and I do other things, but

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walking every day and then Then
taking time when there's a

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neighbor in the yard to stop and
chat a little bit to actually

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ask how you doing and really
want to know.

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And there's a give you just a
little tip.

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If there's a man that I met in
the neighborhood, who's 90 years

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old, he's living with his
daughter and her family.

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His name is Victor and he's from
Mexico.

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He's 90 years old and he's
always out working doing

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something, he's splitting wood.
Got it would Letter.

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So I come up and, you know, and
he can't see very well, he's

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unless you're real close.
So I'll call from a day, if you

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thought of como estas and then,
you know, he's like, and he

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turns and smiles.
I walk up and hit.

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Always spend a little, just a
little time.

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Chad, and how you doing you,
Steve stay in hell.

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Yeah, man.
Well, you know, just and it

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makes my day.
I come home feel the greater

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than that every day.
There's probably two or three

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people that I'll happen to run
into him.

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Not always out.
But when he is we have we have

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an exchange.
So that that's at least one

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little practice that I'd
recommend to anybody that, that

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resonates with that might want
to do something like that.

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Awesome, awesome.
That was such a surprising

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answer and so simple.
And yeah, if there's anyone can

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do it.
So, that's fantastic.

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Jed, I really want to thank you
for making the time to talk to

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us and share more about your
moonshot mission and No, I'm

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eager to be part of it and I
hope everyone listening has, at

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least some level of eagerness
and wants to know more and visit

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your site to learn more.
So I thank you again Jed.

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And thank you, everyone for
listening, wherever you were

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at real men.
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to hear from you.
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life might be like for you with
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And until next time, be good to
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