Overcoming Trauma with Nick Prefontaine: The STEP System

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Hello and welcome to Real Men
Feel.

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I'm your host, author, coach and
healer, Andy Grant.

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Please visit theandygrant.com to
learn more about me.

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Real Men Feel exists to remind
men that they are human beings

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and have the right to experience
and express all of their

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emotions.
We have conversations that most

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men are not having, but that all
men can benefit from.

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My guest today is Nick
Prefontaine.

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Nick is a three times best
selling author and was named a

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top motivational speaker of 2022
in Yahoo Finance.

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He's also the founder and CEO of
Common Goal.

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At age 14, Nick suffered a life
threatening snowboarding

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accident.
His parents were told he

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probably wouldn't ever walk,
talk or eat again on his own.

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Today, he helps people make it
through any trauma, crisis or

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life challenge using the very
system that he lived to get out

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of that hospital.
On the other side of trauma is

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our limitless potential.
Nick and I discuss the problems

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people have when facing major
life challenges and the simple

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ways to navigate them.
Nick shares the benefits of

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being open to alternative
therapies and caring for your

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personal energy.
Stay to the end and you can

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download a free e-book of Nick's
step system and discover if he

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returned to snowboarding.
Let's do it.

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Hello Nick, and welcome to Real
Men Field.

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Hi, Andy.
I'm very excited to be here.

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Nick, you helped lots of trauma
survivors not merely survive,

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but to thrive.
And I know that all kicked off

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with your own traumatic
accident.

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So why don't we start there and
tell me?

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Tell me your story.
Sure.

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So my, my story begins.
And I know we're in a similar

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area, so usually I refer to the
mountain, but I, I can, I can

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like be more specific here.
So I grew up in Shrewsbury in

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Massachusetts, and I was
actually at Ski club with my

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friends and it was always
exciting.

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Ski Club day was always really
exciting because we got released

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a little bit early and anyone
that's that remembers leaving a

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little bit of school, When you
get released even a little bit

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early, it's always a very big
deal.

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So we got released a little bit
early and we headed to Ski Club

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and that was at Wachusett
Mountain right there in

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Princeton.
So on the way to the mountain,

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my friends and I had all brought
our snowboard gear onto the bus

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to get ready so we wouldn't miss
a precious moment once we got to

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the mountain.
And we got to the mountain,

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headed right for the top.
When the rest of the class went

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inside to get ready, we were all
ready to go.

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We didn't want to waste any time
there.

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So on the way up on the chair
lift and we noticed that it was

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very icy because it had been
raining early in the day.

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People were wiping out
everywhere.

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However, that didn't, that
really didn't phase us.

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We were, we were ready to go And
actually the chair left went

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right over the terrain park
where all of the jumps were.

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And I knew as soon as I saw it
that I had to go off the biggest

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shop in the terrain park.
It wasn't, wasn't even a moment

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of thinking, oh, should I,
should I, should I not do it?

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Or should I do it like I was
definitely that was what I was

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doing.
So got to the top, sparkled in

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my snowboard, took a breath of
that crisp wizard air, and

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confidently charged towards that
jump with all my speed and going

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up to the jump, I caught the
edge of my snowboard and that's

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the last thing that I remember.
So I was told that I landed over

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my head.
I wasn't wearing a helmet, and

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there were three things that
really enabled me to be able to

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do the work that I'm doing today
and share this story with you

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and your listeners.
And that was although I wasn't

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wearing a helmet, the pair of
goggles that I had on

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snowboarding goggles were very
thick with a lot of padding.

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So later I learned that not only
did they brace my fall as I

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continued to roll down the
mountain, they continued to hit

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my head.
My goggles mysteriously moved to

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cushion each blow.
So really the goggles part of

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which saved my life.
Secondly, they wanted to bring a

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helicopter to the mountain to
rush me to the hospital.

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They couldn't because it was too
windy.

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So they had to send in an
ambulance and out of all the

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paramedics in the area, there
was only one who could intubate

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on the spot and I needed that to
be able to breathe.

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And lucky for me, another
another thing breaking the right

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way for me.
I believe everything happens for

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reason.
He was one of the paramedics

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that showed up to the mountain
that day and really they're

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there.
As I was alluding to.

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There are several things that I
still can't explain because of

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the accident, and now I know one
of them is the reason why I'm

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able to be with you today and to
tell this story.

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So after that, the third thing
that happened when I was resting

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in a coma in the intensive care
unit, unable to communicate with

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anyone.
The only people who were allowed

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in my room were my parents.
And it was so important early on

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because even though I was out,
out in a coma, the doctors

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wanted to share the information
of like my prognosis.

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And I'm sure you can imagine,
especially at the beginning of a

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traumatic injury, the news is
not so positive, not so

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positive, not so positive.
So they, the doctors, no fault

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of their own.
They were just doing their job.

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Went to share the news with my
parents right in front of me.

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They figured out he said, well,
call me, he can't hear.

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My mom stopped them and she said
no, no, not in front of him,

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because she understood that even
though I was in a coma, I was

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still taking in information.
So she made the doctor step

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outside the room and once they
were there, that's where they

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shared that I was in a
snowboarding accident and they

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had to partially induce me into
a coma because I already had

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swelling in my brain.
They were worried that if I woke

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up and panicked, the swelling
would increase and I would have

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died.
So they had to induce me into a

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coma.
And they said to my parents that

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we're not sure how long he's
going to be in and even if he

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comes out, he's probably not
going to be able to walk, talk

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or eat on his own ever again.
And what what my parents said

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was very important.
They thank the doc, they took

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the information, thank the
doctors.

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And then because none of this
influenced my subconscious mind,

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it didn't get through to me.
I just treated it like any other

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situation.
So I was in a coma for three

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weeks.
I really don't remember a month

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because it was a partially
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And a month after my accident I
was transported to a rehab

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Hospital in Boston.
And once I got my wits about me,

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I guess you could say I it just
allowed me to treat it like any

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other situation.
So this is no different than any

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other challenge that I faced up
to this point in my life.

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I got up, did the best that I
could, and it kept getting

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better every day.
And was at this point that I

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unknowingly started to use a
system to not only make a full

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recovery, but run on the
hospital.

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So I overheard my parents
talking with the doctors and

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they would meet with them every
week.

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And they said, all right, what
do we have to do to make sure

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Nick makes a full recovery?
Even though I couldn't talk, I

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heard a voice in the back of my
head that said, no, you're going

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to run out of the hospital.
So that running out of the

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hospital and he became our
common goal.

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I was able to communicate that
to my parents and the rest of my

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team.
But it was at that time that I

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started and I'll, I'll come back
to the boys in the back of my

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head because it's, it led me to
what I'm doing today, really.

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I unknowingly started to utilize
a system to not only make a full

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recovery, but run out of the
hospital.

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That's a STEP system.
STEP is an acronym.

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It stands for support.
Make sure you have the support

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of your family and friends right
from the beginning.

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This is going to have you
falling back on relationships

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that you built prior to your set
back.

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T is trust.
Trust that once you take your

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first step, your next step is
always going to be available to

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you.
Follow it.

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And then E is energy.
Maintaining your energy allows

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your body's natural ability to
be able to heal itself, and

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medication has the potential to
get in the way of that.

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So after, after coming out of
after coming in my coma and

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being transported to the rehab
hospital, my parents knew that

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they wanted to get me off of the
medication as soon as possible

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because they knew of the body's
natural ability to be able to

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heal itself.
And it was so important that I

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had an advocate that was part of
my that's part of support.

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What I talk about in step, my
ebook, my free ebook that I'll,

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I'll give you a listen as a way
they can download that in the

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end.
But I talk about it's important

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to have an advocate because
without an advocate, they would

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just to illustrate this.
So after being transported to

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the rehab hospital, I still
wasn't cleared to walk and I got

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up in the middle of the night
and I had to use the bathroom.

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I, I would always have either my
dad or my grandfather and uncle

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stay with me at night and I
leaned over, I forget who it

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was, I think it was my
grandfather and leaned over my

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bed.
I tried to get their attention.

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I couldn't.
So I had to hobble my way to the

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bathroom and I nothing happened.
It was fine.

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But then the hospital found out
the next day and they freaked

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out and they said, Oh, we're
going to give him this one CC

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the of that medication, that
many CCS of the subtle

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medication, and that should
really calm him down on so he's

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ready to go to sleep.
And my mom said, no, you're not.

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Just ask him not to do that
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Will ever respect all the people
that that work in the hospitals.

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And I'm I'm like, I'm thankful
that I was able to have that

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care.
However, if I didn't ever have

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get there, they would have just
drugged me to to make their jobs

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easier.
Right.

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Yeah, every, every aspect of you
didn't need treatment, though

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they were attempting to give it
some.

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Yeah, exactly.
And then P is persistence.

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So persistence, once you take
your first step, keep getting up

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every day and taking your next
step, no matter how small.

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And by continuing to move
forward every day, you are

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building an unstoppable
momentum.

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So if you Fast forward a little
bit less than 60 days later

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after being transferred to the
rehab hospital, I was able to

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realize my goal and run out of
the hospital.

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And that wasn't an end.
That was that was really a

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beginning for me, if anything.
And that's really how I look,

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how I look in my life now as
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I had to be tutored all summer
long, five days a week in order

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to continue on to high school
with the rest of my classmates,

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along with getting outpatient
therapy for another six months.

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So I wasn't done.
Like I said, it was just the

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beginning, if you will.
So.

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So this happened when you were
in high school.

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So what was your exact age
during when the accident

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happened to you?
I was 14 so I was in 8th grade.

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Wow.
And it it sound your parents

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sound amazing to have navigated
this, you know, with you and for

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you were they always just
positive, optimistic people?

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Yes, they were.
Yeah, I grew up in a very.

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So this whole, this whole step
system that I didn't even

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discover it until later in life,
like like recently over the last

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several years.
This whole, where this whole

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came from is just the way that
I've always approached any kind

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of challenge in any kind of
situation in my life.

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And I had a mentor that was able
to pull this out of me, if you

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will, and be able be able to
share it with everyone.

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And that's that's what I'm doing
now and keynotes and went along

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work with people.
Yeah, that's awesome.

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And you know, we had talked
previously and I grew up in

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Leominster, MA, you grew up in
Shrewsbury.

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And I, I kind of, I was guessing
that this incident happened at

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Wachusett.
And and I recently moved.

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I'm now in Gardner, Mass, and I
am less than 10 minutes from

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Wachusett.
Oh wow.

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The only place I've ever
attempted to snowboard was at

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Mamachusett as well.
And I could only turn right, my

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wife could only turn left.
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other.
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But yeah, your story is amazing.
And you know, I find that, you

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know, amazing upbeat people that
take control of their lives like

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you, you, you do live by a
system.

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You do have this, this guidance,
you have this divine

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intervention always happening
and you kind of take it for

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granted or just like this is
everybody lives.

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And it's not till someone helps
pull it out of you that you

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realize, oh, here are these
steps literally for you, the

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step system that can help
anybody else that isn't as aware

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of of the best ways to navigate
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My heart swells with admiration
for you in your again ability

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not just to survive, but to
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Thank you.
Yeah, it was, it was quite the,

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it was quite a journey.
And it really it was, it was.

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It took me because that was
something that happened when I

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was younger.
I was like, yeah.

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What A couple of things to
highlight what you said, that

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you just feel like everyone does
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So I talked, talked to like
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I'm like, I don't know, I just,
I just got up and did the best I

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could and I kept getting better
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And I was like, anyone would do
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And like, I'm not abnormal.
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they're like, no, Nick, that's
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Like a lot of a lot of people
would would have given up.

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And it took me later, like a
little later on in life to

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really realize, OK, I have
something here that I have to be

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sharing, like sharing my story
and sharing with individuals

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across the world that are going
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or trauma themselves and to help
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their lives.
So if you, it's amazing to me

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that only 18 months later, I got
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is compressed.
So something like six months, 12

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months, 18 months seems like a
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However, 18 months is not that
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It's really not that long.
So only 18 months after

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finishing rehab, I got my start
in real estate and I was door

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knocking, free foreclosure doors
or homeowners that have received

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a notice to default letter from
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several payments all the way up
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hadn't foreclosed on their home.
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where because I had to go to
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only 16, I would go to cities
where I could be most efficient

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and hit the most amount of doors
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mentor that pulled the step

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system on me to reflect back to
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She said, well, wait a minute,
you only 18 months after

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finishing your rehab from being
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accident, you're you're going
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cities and knocking on knocking
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That is kind of like that is
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And she said, well, I think
going door to door like that was

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part of your recovery, going
door to door and helping people

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out of their unfortunate
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So after graduating high school,
I started starting to get my

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real estate license.
And when I was 19, I, I got my

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real estate license and then was
working as a realtor helping

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buyers and sellers.
And then I actually ended up

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letting my real estate license
go in January of 2016 to help my

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dad to join my dad full time as
an investor, helping, helping

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him with the properties that he
was getting under contract to

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find buyers for those properties
and put them into a house and

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everything like that.
And Andy, all throughout my

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life, I've always had this voice
in the back of my head that's

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always been saying to me,
regardless if it's door

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knocking, say any kind of sales
as a real estate agent, it's

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always saying, yeah, OK, that's
great.

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I'm glad you're like living your
life and everything.

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But what you really need to be
doing is telling your story from

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stage and helping trauma
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of their lives.
And that voice has always been

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there.
And then with my dad's, with my

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dad's company and now a company
that I'm partners in as well,

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Smart Real Estate Coach, one of
the one of the companies that

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I'm partners in.
I've had the opportunity since

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2016 to get on stage and tell my
story.

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And it's really allowed me to
scratch that itch, if you will,

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and be be able to speak and tell
my story.

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So I could rationalize with
myself that, OK, I'm doing it

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like I'm telling my story from
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However, there was this woman
that approached me after one of

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our events a little over five
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And she said to me, I'm not
trying to steal you from your

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family company.
But if you're ever looking to

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fine tune your message and to
bring it to another level so

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that it has maximum impact, I
can introduce you to a few

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coaches and mentors that have
helped me out on my path.

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And I always on our card.
I still wasn't ready.

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I, I was still going through a
voice challenge and in 2012 I

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developed a voice challenge and
I was looking everywhere and I

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couldn't figure out what was
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And I finally wound up in a
voice specialist office in

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August of 2013.
And that was in Boston.

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And I guess they're only 35 of
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continent.
And one of them was right in

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Boston, a 2 hour drive for me.
So I went into his office after

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stressing out and building it up
like such a big deal in my head

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for a year.
And I sat down and this guy

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walked in the room and heard me
speak.

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And right away nonchalantly
goes, oh, that.

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Yeah, we deal with that all the
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Go get scheduled for a Botox
injection in a couple weeks.

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And I was like, my mouth was on
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I was like, I'm I'm soul hook,
line and sinker and I started

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getting Botox injections along
with their higher level voice

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speech pathologist and I had to
get that for seven years.

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So in combination with
developing the issue in 2019 and

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getting the treatments, the
Botox injections into my vocal

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folds, I had to deal with that
for eight years.

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And my last one, my, my last
treatment was February 13th of

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2020.
So obviously that has worked its

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way out of my system now
however.

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It was the intersection.
There's so many like

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intersections of the story
because when that woman

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approached me, Sharon Spano, she
approached me after hearing me

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tell my story.
I was still tight, like you

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could hear it.
I was still like, it was almost

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like it was hard to get the
words out.

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She approached me anyway and
shared, gave me her card and

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shit and the information.
So I still wasn't ready.

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However, a little over a year
and a half later, after I had

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this voice issue fully out of my
system, I reached out to her and

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I said, OK, I'm ready.
And she introduced me to her

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mentor, one of her mentors who's
become my mentor.

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And ever since I call in May of
2021, there, Andy has been no

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voice in the back of my head.
So what that's evidence to me is

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that I'm doing exactly what I
was put on this earth to do.

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Right, There's, there's that
inner wisdom, that guidance.

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You're not being course
corrected anymore cause 'cause

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you're doing it.
Yeah, you're on the path.

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Yeah.
Beautiful.

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And when we first talked
briefly, you said something that

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that stuck with me that, that
you saw that trauma survivors

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are shunned by society.
Can can you expand on that?

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I think still to this day, if I
see like any kind of a any kind

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of a disabled person or like
anyone dealing with it, like

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walking with a, with a challenge
like I can, I can tell has a

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challenge or someone who's going
through an issue and is not just

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like everyone out like, Oh yeah,
everything's great.

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I actually commend them for
that.

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And I, I say good for good for
that person to, to be out to, to

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be like continuing to take their
next step in life.

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And I, I think what society does
is it's, it shuns people that,

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that have any kind of a
traumatic event that that was

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what we were talking about
briefly before, before I had

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this opportunity to be here.
So I really, I mean, I believe

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that in my.
Heart, I think you nailed it.

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And yeah, so it's the the the
notion of general society sees

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someone struggling through some
traumatic injury or accident and

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you know, at best ignores them,
might might mock them, might not

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assist them.
And but you see them, and you

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will you applaud them.
Absolutely.

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And and you know what, it's kind
of coming back to me too.

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We can go, we can go in a little
bit more depth here.

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So there are so many people that
haven't, that haven't had that

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opportunity to go through a
traumatic event, a life

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challenge or crisis or anything.
And they say, oh, that's so sad.

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Look at that.
I say the opposite.

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I was like, look, look at that.
They're they're out.

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They're, they're not, they're
not being held down by this.

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They're, they're continuing to
move forward in life.

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They're not letting, they're not
letting their traumatic

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experience, their life challenge
or crisis hold them back from

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living their best life.
Yep, and you know one thing I I

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that's that sticks with me too,
from the step system of support,

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trust, energy and persistence.
Everything except support is is

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up to you.
So it really seems that that,

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you know, perhaps reclaiming
ownership of your life is such a

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powerful aspect of all those
steps.

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Is is does does that make sense
to you?

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Absolutely.
And it does make sense.

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And just to provide a little
color to this.

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So something that I go into
detail within step and we only

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had I only had a the opportunity
to show like a 10,000 foot view

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of it.
Something that I go into detail

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within there is support is
something that's that's within

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your control 100% because a lot
of people and this comes up,

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this comes up like every
interview or every other every

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other interview I talk about it,
people say, oh, well, you know,

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lucky for you, you had family.
I don't have family now.

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One of the things I talk about
within step is your support

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doesn't necessarily have to be
your failed.

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It can be a close friend that
you share everything with.

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It could be a neighbor or not
really above.

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It can be just someone always
checking on you and always

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wondering if there's anything
that they can do.

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However, you're you're closed
off to it.

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You're ignorant to it because
you have this in your mind that

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it can only be failing.
Support can come from

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everywhere, everywhere,
everywhere in society.

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In, in one of your talks, I saw
you speak about kind of the, the

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dangers of overwhelm that can
lead to people kind of giving

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up, giving in fall into that,
that victimhood sort of thing.

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Do you do you find that there's
a root source for for overwhelm

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today?
I think that it's very easy to

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be overwhelmed when you look at
anything, especially at the

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start of a start, at the start
of anything.

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So you can call it life
challenge, crisis, or trauma, or

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you can call it a starting a new
business, or in your case,

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moving, doing, moving to a new
house.

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You can think to yourself, Oh my
God, that's so overwhelming

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because I have to do this, this,
this, this, this.

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However, the the best thing,
yeah, overwhelm is it, it's

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everywhere.
It's it's around us.

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However, the best thing that you
can do to cure that is to take

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action.
Just take your next step.

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Just take one step.
And it doesn't even have to be a

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big step.
However, just by taking that one

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step, your next step's always
going to be available to you.

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So you must have had doubts,
some brief point, you know,

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waking up, just finding yourself
in the hospital.

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But so did did you ever have
doubts and did they have

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developed into longer periods of
of, you know, victimhood or

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depression?
Of course I had doubts.

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I mean, come on.
Yeah, Everyone, people.

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People hear my story and they
think, oh, yeah, OK, you got an

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accent, You're in a cold and you
ran out of the hospital.

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Good for you.
Must be nice.

448
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But of course, I had doubts.
There was there was a point and

449
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,680
there are there are a few points
both within my snowboarding and

450
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,680
then with my voice issue that I
had doubts.

451
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,560
And because I had an advocate
with me at all times, I was able

452
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,920
to keep moving forward.
So my mom who was doing me every

453
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,640
day, going to every therapy and
doctor's appointment with me, I

454
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,880
was in between therapies and I
would have double sessions of

455
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,680
physical occupation on speech
therapy, after which you broke

456
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,960
for lunch.
So is that one of these lunches

457
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800
in my hospital room where I was
in a wheelchair just looking

458
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:24,000
over my situation and I just
couldn't figure it out for

459
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,880
whatever reason.
I remember turning to my mom and

460
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,040
asking, am I ever going to be
able to walk again?

461
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480
She didn't even hesitate.
She said, of course you are.

462
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,640
That's what we're doing here,
seeing get everything back and

463
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,720
me and go home step.
So what this allowed me to do

464
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,160
was that moment of doubt that I
had was to keep moving forward.

465
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800
And that was the only from my
snowboarding accident.

466
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,280
That was the only moment of
doubt that I can really

467
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,000
remember.
And it was during my going

468
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,040
through my voice challenge
because it was, I think I'm more

469
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080
proud of that Andy, because it
was eight years that I had to

470
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,200
deal with that.
And once I, once I, once I got

471
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000
through it, I was like, all
right, I, I have something here

472
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,680
because I've used this twice
during my life.

473
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280
So I, I really have to be
sharing this with everyone.

474
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,320
But it was really in the
beginning of that.

475
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,080
And I was always looking for and
reflecting and looking, reading

476
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,120
my journals from 10 years ago
because that's, that's a thing

477
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,800
that I do just to see where I
was and what I was dealing with.

478
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:39,400
So I, I was having a hard time.
I was looking for, OK, every

479
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Botox treatment, this is going
to be it.

480
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,760
This is going to be the thing
that is going to fix everything.

481
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,920
I'm going to be fine.
And I just had that the wrong

482
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,000
mindset at the beginning.
And I can remember on one of my

483
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,920
trips to Boston with my mom,
because she would always go with

484
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,520
me to be my supporting and be
there and like take notes and

485
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,040
because you have a lot of stuff
going on in your head.

486
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,880
And I, I said to her, while, you
know, the, the therapist

487
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480
wouldn't, couldn't tell me the
answer I was looking for.

488
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,360
I, I like kept asking, kept
asking, kept asking.

489
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,840
And she said, no, you, you just
have to look at it from the

490
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,280
mindset of I'm going to keep
doing this and I'm going to keep

491
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,240
getting better every day.
And as long as you keep

492
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,320
improving, which I believe my
voice is still improving to this

493
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,680
day, as long as you keep
improving, there's there's

494
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,160
nothing that you're doing wrong
necessarily.

495
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360
As as long as you keep moving
forward and keep getting better,

496
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,440
there's really nothing that can
stop you.

497
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880
Yeah, it reminds me of AI.
Think it's a Wayne Dyard quote,

498
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160
but the only, the only person
you should compare yourself with

499
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,840
is you.
Yesterday.

500
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Yeah.
So I I know you've gone on to do

501
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,160
a number of half marathons and
10 KS.

502
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920
Did you ever tour, return to
skiing or snowboarding?

503
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,680
Yeah, yes, I have.
And I actually think it was to,

504
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,800
I don't know.
I, I mean, I, right after my

505
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,520
accident, I said, I said, I
convinced my parents said, Oh,

506
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,960
no, I, I'm not going to, because
I was a snowboarding instructor

507
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,120
before the accident at Ward
Hill, a much smaller hill, not a

508
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520
mountain, but I was a
snowboarding instructor.

509
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,880
So I convinced them that, oh,
it's a good idea for me to like

510
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040
be around snowboarding and, and
to help and everything like

511
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
that.
Well, temptation proved to be

512
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,200
too much and I ended up stealing
my friends or borrowing, let's

513
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,600
put it that way.
My friend snowboys and sneaky or

514
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,240
run in here or there.
And up until that point, my

515
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,800
friends are like, Oh no, Nick
can't snowboard on.

516
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
He can't do it.
If not, if he does, he's going

517
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
to hurt himself.
Once they saw that I could do

518
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,200
it, they're like, oh, Nick's
back.

519
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:09,520
However, my mom found out and I
came home one night and, and

520
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,040
from being at the mountain and
she was in tears, crying.

521
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,560
And once I saw that I was like,
no, I, I, I can't do that.

522
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,840
I, I just can't do that.
Talk about your heart and

523
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,840
nothing.
But I was just like, I can't, I

524
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,720
can't do that.
So that was that was the last

525
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,960
time that I had the last time
that I did that.

526
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,000
Well, it's great that it it's
not your own.

527
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,400
It wasn't your fear keeping you
from doing it.

528
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,640
It was your choice after.
After you've proven to yourself

529
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,040
that you could do it.
But then you chose.

530
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,160
You chose not to run, as
Seinfeld would say.

531
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Yeah, I love that show and she's
so happy.

532
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,440
What happens to someone that's
going through some trying,

533
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,880
challenging times, doesn't have
the support or doesn't doesn't

534
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,160
believe they have the support
might be the better way to say

535
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
that.
But what happens to someone who

536
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,560
doesn't believe they have
control of their own life?

537
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,000
This is what we were talking
about earlier.

538
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,720
So I think it's very easy for
those people to shut down, to be

539
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,720
overwhelmed and to feel like no
one, no one's there to help them

540
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,000
and support them because they've
closed themselves off and they

541
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,760
put themselves in this box that
my support only can come from my

542
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,080
family.
However, it can come from

543
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,360
anywhere.
They shut down to that and they

544
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,120
go within, they go inside of
themselves.

545
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,520
And that that's really the the
hardest thing for people is

546
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,880
because when that happens, they
become stuck.

547
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,200
So the best way to get out of
that is to look, look outside of

548
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,800
yourself and look who's willing
to help you, who is your

549
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,960
support, and then just take that
step and just continue moving

550
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,160
forward and continue taking your
next step.

551
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Is there always a next step?
Of course, yes, that, that's,

552
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,640
that's literally what I found.
And actually, if we have time, I

553
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,960
can talk about this a little
bit.

554
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,880
So after three years, after my
accident, three years after

555
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680
running out of the hospital, I
started seeing a naturopathic

556
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,480
Dr. to rid my body of all the
toxins and I went to him

557
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480
consistently.
I would it was all based on your

558
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,440
blood type.
He was a naturopathic Doctor Who

559
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,640
was all based on your blood
type.

560
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,240
I would take supplements, I
would get a specific diet based

561
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,840
on my blood type.
And along with getting all of

562
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,720
these treatments, so foot bath,
hyperbaric chamber, colonic

563
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,920
acupuncture, fango therapy, like
all those, I would go and drive

564
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,960
an hour, an hour and 20 minutes
and get those every two to three

565
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
weeks.
I can remember in early 2009, I

566
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400
was sitting for review with one
of those doctors and they were

567
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,200
saying to me, you've done such a
great job with sticking with the

568
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080
programs, sticking with the
diet, and more.

569
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520
Most importantly, getting all
these treatments to rid your

570
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,000
body of all the toxins.
There's not much we can do for

571
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,120
you.
You can continue to come here

572
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,480
for maintenance, however, kind
of like the end of the line, so

573
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,520
to speak.
It was right around that time

574
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,800
that I was introduced to Doctor
Ming.

575
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Wu and Ming worked on me right
at the dinner.

576
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:32,000
He gave me Tweena right at the
dinner that I had with him in

577
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,560
March 2009 in Boston.
And as soon as I had him work on

578
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,840
me a little bit, I was hooked.
I just saw him last week.

579
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,120
I still see him weekly, a
monthly.

580
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,840
Excuse me, I still see him
monthly for to keep my energy

581
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,639
and truth from able to impact
and affect the most certain

582
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,639
people possible.
Long, long way of answering

583
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,600
that.
Once you're at the end of your

584
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560
step, your next step is always
going to be available to you.

585
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Yes.
Nick is Does anything stand out

586
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,800
as one thing that you wish more
men knew?

587
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,720
It's been a journey.
It's been a journey for myself

588
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:18,640
with to be to be in touch, I
guess you could say with my

589
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,240
emotions and it's OK.
It's OK to to feel.

590
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:29,200
And I've done I've done so, so
much work one-on-one with a

591
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,840
coach.
I I've had the same like a

592
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,040
different coach.
I really, I really refer to her

593
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,760
as more my energy coach.
I've just done so much work with

594
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,360
her for the past gosh, coming up
on five years.

595
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,720
So next month it'll be five
years.

596
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,720
I've done so much work with her
and without her.

597
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,840
I really cool.
Who could say I I'd be here

598
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
today?
And that's because I've gotten

599
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,280
vulnerable with myself and I've
gone really deep on like all

600
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,960
these little things, all these
little issues in that from my

601
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
past, like my childhood and
everything like that.

602
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,400
But without doing that, I feel
like I wouldn't really been

603
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600
eliminating myself.
And you mentioned being proud

604
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,920
earlier, so I want to ask right
now, in this moment, what stands

605
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,880
out as as the thing you're most
proud of?

606
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,600
I'm doing exactly what I was put
on this earth to do that that's

607
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,000
what I feel I'm I'm really
living in alignment with

608
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:43,280
wouldn't lie purpose.
Awesome and as a coach, working

609
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,320
people added that that out of
alignment that people that think

610
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,160
they have no purpose is just
such a destroyer of life.

611
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,560
So I, I, you know, I love that
you're putting your experience

612
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,360
into service.
I I find time and time again

613
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,960
with so many guests I talked to
that that anyone committed to

614
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,240
service that that that continues
your own healing as well.

615
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,760
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

616
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,960
Cool, I buy helping more people
and and every and I was talking

617
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,320
to you that I don't know why
I've been on I've done

618
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,760
interviews before and everything
and one of your comments to me

619
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,520
was, well, I don't want this to
just be like a kind of a cookie

620
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,320
cutter interview.
And what's amazing to me is

621
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,720
every time I share my story, it
always depending on the audience

622
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,480
and depending on the show, it
always comes out a little bit

623
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,880
differently.
And I'm, I'm trusting that the

624
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,080
reason for that is because
that's exactly what that host,

625
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,880
that show in that audience
needed to hear in that moment.

626
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,360
I firmly believe that, you know,
life happens for us and the

627
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,920
universe is on our side and that
you have had you've experienced

628
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,840
countless miracles, divine
intervention, you know, things

629
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,400
to make sure that you follow
your path, that you serve your

630
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,560
calling and you're doing it.
And you know, that leads to, in

631
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,000
my experience, leads to a much
more joyful life is you're

632
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400
finding that to be true.
Yes, absolutely.

633
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Awesome, awesome, Nick.
So I, you know, I love

634
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,720
everything you shared and the
step system and I really

635
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,520
appreciate the simplicity of
that.

636
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,280
I, I find that so many people,
it's almost like the ego wants,

637
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,320
it wants them to be a difficult
case.

638
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,080
So they won't try the simple
things, but the simple things

639
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,560
have the most benefit I find
time and time again.

640
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Absolutely.
And really, Andy, what we're

641
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,600
able to cover today is just,
it's just a 10,000 worth view of

642
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,680
the step system.
However, if you or your, your

643
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,840
listeners want to want to
download the whole steps sister

644
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680
for free, then go to
nickprefontain.com/step.

645
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,600
And that's going to cheat some
all about support, trust, energy

646
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,320
and persistence.
And it's also going to help them

647
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,280
take that first step today.
Because I realized one of the

648
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,400
things that we talked about is
people feel almost like trapped

649
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,560
or stuck buy overwhelm.
And that's a great first stop

650
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,160
for anyone in that position.
Awesome, awesome.

651
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,760
So yeah, we'll definitely
include that link in the show

652
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,640
notes and at realmanfield.org.
Is there any other best ways to

653
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400
to keep track, to learn more
about you, to follow you on on

654
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,200
socials?
I am on LinkedIn and and also

655
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Facebook at this time.
Yeah, but that's where I'm on

656
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,080
all.
Right.

657
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Great.
We'll have links for those as

658
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,760
well.
Nick, I really appreciate you

659
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,120
taking the time to talk to us
today.

660
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,320
I I love everything that you
were doing, your personal story,

661
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,880
your, your attitude, your
energy.

662
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
It's good and it's infectious.
Oh, thank you.

663
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Right back at.
Unity cool.

664
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,760
So thank you listeners viewers
for joining joining Nick and I

665
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,480
today.
Wherever you're discovering real

666
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,400
men feel please give a like a
follow share this episode with

667
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,440
someone that would have it would
make a big impact for you can

668
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200
always reach out to me at
realmenfeel@gmail.com.

669
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,920
Visit Real Men Feel that org for
the blog post for all the links

670
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,280
and tools and references
mentioned in this episode.

671
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,000
And until next time, be good to
yourself.