Positive Change in a Socially Distant World

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Welcome to real men.
Feel.

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I'm your host author coach, and
healer and e-grant.

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I have to confess that I have
been very frustrated and down

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lately.
I didn't want to do this show

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today and I wavered about
postponing it.

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I decided that being authentic
and vulnerable could be the very

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best way that I can be of
service.

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Today, especially considering
the subject of today's episode.

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My guest.
Today is Rick Warren.

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Ellis.
Rick is a coach author.

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Positive change expert and
founder of, I spark change, Rick

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shares, the importance of
change, and what he sees, as the

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benefits of the pandemic, as
well as the various masks of

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masculinity that too many men
wear.

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We both model the authenticity
and vulnerability.

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I often speak of on this show
and Rick shares.

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The most surprising thing.
He's learned through his

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Awakening.
Let's dive in Rick.

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As a positive change expert
does, does that mean you've

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always been upbeat positive just
happy-go-lucky and enjoyed life

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like all the time.
Well, that's a good question.

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Question and at the name,
actually comes where someone

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gave me that name because they
were, they said I was such an

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expert in helping to teach
others how to create positive

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change.
But but as far as to answer your

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question Andy, I've always been
a positive person.

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I've always been a happy person
despite many challenges in my

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life from the time.
I was young to now, I've always

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kept it positive and always been
I guess you know, the Last half

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full kind of person as opposed
to the glass half.

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Empty.
That, that's never, that's never

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been been me and and honestly,
that that type of mentality,

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never really resonated with me.
I just kind of never understood

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it back then, I understand it
far more now than I did.

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You know, when I was younger,
but you know, probably started

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out.
When I was young to be just

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where I was a little probably
confident and maybe too cocky

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when I was young, you know, and
sports and stuff like that.

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And then it transitioned to be,
you know, just more of seeing

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the good in any situation,
really cool.

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This would be very interesting
because I'm probably the

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opposite.
I grew up glass is definitely

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half empty and then no one can
even fill.

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My glass was my experience
growing up.

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And in recent years, one of the
titles I use is that the king of

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authenticity, and that was
something that someone dubbed on

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me, five years ago.
And it took me years before

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first, I diced, could accept it.
And so it was a good Thing and

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was worth, you know, proclaiming
so when someone first called you

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apposite change expert?
We like yeah, I am.

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This is great.
Or were you kind of resistant to

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that?
You know, I I wasn't necessarily

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resistant, but I just I guess I
struggled with the word expert

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and because I was like, okay.
Well, what does it take to

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become an expert in something,
you know, like you think of like

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the 10,000, our principal and
and those type of things and

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there's a kook a wolf.
Am I an expert?

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And then it's.
So I decided to add it to my bio

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and everything because I said,
you know, I'm going to come

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through with this and see what
happens.

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And the more people, the more I
spoke to others and the more it

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resonated with them and they
felt that I knew what I was

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talking about it.
So I was like, okay I can I can

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go with that go with it.
So it's change important like

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what's wrong with things.
Staying the same?

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So in my opinion changes were
all the growth comes changes

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were the, you know, we become.
We adapt, we learn to adapt.

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We become better in many
situations.

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We we learn to grow and to
overcome obstacles.

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And, you know, changes.
I always look at change as a

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good thing.
So I look at it as a positive

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side, right?
That the change is always good

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and that's not somewhere that
I've always been, right.

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I mean, when you're, when you're
faced with, with some obstacle,

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when I was younger, I get pissed
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I'd get upset, and, and all this
stuff and, you know, And

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nowadays I've past years.
I've come to where I realized

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that.
I see them.

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I see the change and obstacles
as opportunity.

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So I see it as an opportunity
to, you know, to improve in some

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way.
So I'm always looking to improve

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in some way, no matter what it
is.

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And that's just something that I
work on constantly.

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Okay.
So, every, every change in the

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world and Society isn't
necessarily positive, but if it

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isn't positive, There's an
opportunity to make Positive.

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Yes, and that's how that's how I
look at it.

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So, for example, we take I live,
I live near Houston.

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Okay, and we've had a lot of
natural disasters if you will

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and in recent memory and
Houston, we had that kind of

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Arctic freeze that happened.
Last winter.

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We hurricane Harvey, you know,
we have all these things that

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have come through here and even
recently, you know, Ida recently

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losing everything and those are
terrible and tragic events,

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right?
The you'd say that.

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This is something that this is
not not positive for sure where

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I saw the positivity and I saw
the change was in, for example,

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in Harvey, where people came out
to support one another so much

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and they were just doing
anything they could to help

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their neighbor.
And, and we're going out and

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helping to clean out homes that
have been flooded.

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And the people were so grateful.
And and there was, you know,

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such love and positivity.
And in all those actions that

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that's where, you know, it's
kind of like when If you think

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of like a forest fire right in a
forest, fire comes through and

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it burns down some thousands of
Acres or whatever, but then you

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see all the new growth that
comes out of it.

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And usually stronger are usually
stronger and more resilient and

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that's the way I look at him.
Cool.

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Yeah, I like that and Anna do
it.

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Anytime.
There's negative circumstance

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happenings.
It.

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Does it.
Usually it brings people

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together that the best of
humanity, usually Rises up and

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comes and helps each other and
all those Things and I see that

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and I agree yet, you know, in
2021, in the United States of

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America.
We I see more separation between

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people that than ever.
So is there an opportunity that

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we were all missing?
Or like, how do you explain kind

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of the this if you agree if you
see separation as well?

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Oh, yes, and I was not being as
you're saying that because I see

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that, I see that very much.
So Andy so much separation, so

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much.
Polarization throughout the

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country.
And I actually, I wrote an

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article.
I don't know about maybe five or

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six months ago about the
polarization of the United

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States and the division of
people across the country.

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And you think about like, you
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political parties and division
between just you have that we

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have the pandemic in the
division between, you know,

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people's beliefs on that and
everything.

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And what I think I think that as
a result of so just kind of kind

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of two sides to respond to what
you're saying.

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What I think is the result of
that is that that so much of so

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much of this is perpetuated by
the media and because of human

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evolution our brains and our
bodies are designed to respond

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to negative stimulus, far
quicker than we do to positive

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stimulus, right?
Because you go back thousands of

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years and If we heard a growl or
we heard loud footsteps, we had

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to be on high alert, right?
And know if we had to like, you

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know, freeze fight or flight and
and nowadays.

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We don't have that, right?
We don't have to worry about

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that.
But people are they're

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constantly getting that state of
high alert because the media is

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like, oh there's this, there's
that there's that there may be

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millions of positive stories out
there that would squash that

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one, but people think that
that's the one and then their

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response, they're kind of
conditioned response is like,

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oh, I need to get defensive.
I need Spawn.

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I need to do something to that.
And so to answer your question.

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What are we missing an
opportunity?

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I think what a lot of people
Miss is that that program

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response they get to to set in
the okay.

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Someone said something is black
and I think it's white.

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I need to respond and say that
no rather than let me ask a

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question and find out more about
what you're thinking.

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And let me take a pause and
understand what you know, why

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are your beliefs and and and be
fascinated by the differences

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between what we believe, right?
And and that's where I think is,

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you know, just people are kind
of that knee-jerk response.

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Just it's like, so automatic
that they're just so programmed

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and and that's what's missing.
I guess is that pause, is that

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hey, let me help me understand
where you're coming from.

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Help me understand your side
when we look at things from your

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perspective.
Yeah, go.

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Yeah, something I often say and
I didn't, you know, it's been

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said for for Many decades
hundreds of years.

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Perhaps I forget where this
originated, but you can be right

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or you can be happy and it seems
in times of heightened, alert

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and division, individuals
groups, being.

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Right, is the most important
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And in my life a long time ago,
I gave up like, oh, I'd rather

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be happy once I realized there's
the choice and I've been

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unconsciously insisting on
being, right?

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Even when being right, had me
feel horrible and see the world

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and a horrible view.
So what do you think about that

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is Is that an issue?
This, I've got to be right,

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you're saying that I've got to
convince the other person and we

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want to argue and fight.
Is that is that the core?

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Well, I think I think a hundred
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I think that's a big part of it
and I'll speak from my

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experience.
I've struggled with that myself.

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Is that, you know, when I was
younger and I said, I was, you

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know, maybe over confident or
cocky and, and my growing up.

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I mean, that's what I learnt.
My that was a big source of

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contention between my parents is
that my both of them had to be

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right hand.
Got divorced after 18 years of

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marriage and, you know, so
growing up in a home that were

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with your parents split and then
when I was 14, I guess, but in

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the years that you know of
arguing and everything like that

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that led me to have that same
condition response like oh you

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got to be ready, got to be right
and all that and it's been a

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growth constant growth constant
working on myself for years.

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To work on that.
And I still struggle with it to

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this day and my wife would tell
you that, that is the case.

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But, but when we celebrate our
25th wedding anniversary this

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year and and we would have never
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If I had kept the ways that I
learned, you know, growing up.

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If I hadn't said, okay, I need
to become a better person.

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I need to learn better ways to
communicate and, and that's

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something that I work on every
day.

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I've been working on all my
life.

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I mean, I have a darn degree in
communication and I still, you

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know, I work on that every day.
Because I feel it's so

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important.
You know, it's one of the most

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important things, you know, that
we have as human beings is how

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we communicate.
And so tip to, you know, just to

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wrap up in answering your
question is that I think so many

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people.
It goes back to that

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conditioning is they, they, they
just have the desire that they

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want to be on top.
You know, it's like that

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competitive thing.
I want to be on top, you know,

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and the way to get me here is to
put you here and then that's

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going to get me here, rather
than thinking, like, well, what

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if we could just both be here
and that would be a Far better

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place, right?
We're both going to be up here

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in both both be happy, right?
It comes from almost a, you can

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view the world as a place of
lack or as a place of Plenty and

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we can cooperate or we can
compete.

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And again, it's so much is based
in our our Outlook and our

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belief, on our mindset.
Yeah, so much.

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It is, it is so true.
And and I think the good thing,

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the good thing that you're
right.

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There's been so much division
recently.

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Right, one of the benefits that
I see.

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So again, looking at the
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the benefits that I've seen from
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I was explaining with, with the
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benefits I've seen from that
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many individuals that because
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because they suddenly had a
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Selves or they were in
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Because of all those things.
It's led to a lot of individuals

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to realize like, hey, maybe
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Maybe we can work towards making
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And, I know, personally, I've
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over the past 18, 20 months that
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Like I am, that are okay.
Let's make the world a better

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place.
Let's see.

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Slip to spread positive change.
Let's look to you know, help

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Humanity, get away from that
polarization and you know, move

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more toward where towards where
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another.
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I've been invited people
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take the opportunity of this
time of the to go within to grow

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to get clear on what you'd
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So that's beautiful.
And I also this may sound weird,

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but I'm really glad to hear you
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You kind of still Juggle with
things and they're you know,

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life life always has highs and
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Yeah, because I'm, I'm in a low
myself and I was telling before

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we started recording.
I wavered between canceling.

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The show in recent weeks.
I've just feeling really

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frustrated and the point of
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And I've I've been teary and
like usually that's a sign for

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me like, oh I gotta Something's
Got a blow.

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I really need to sob and twice
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Week, while praying I started
sobbing and it felt like such a

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great release and like oh, I
feel better than the next day

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won't happen again.
Like oh, what's going on and

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then add few days of phyllo?
Good, everything's that, clear.

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Whatever it was.
It's cleared.

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I'm good to go and this morning
I just woke up wanting to just

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be isolated and hide and
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And we only feel is all about
reminding members a human and

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that being authentic and
vulnerable and having compassion

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for yourself and for others.
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So I was like I chose to take
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positive by coming here and talk
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And it's again seeing that we
were going to talk about, you

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know, divine intervention, and
your book, and it 12 hours of

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heaven and all the good
positive.

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Change your out for was like,
this might just be the perfect

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thing to be of service people
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however much I grow.
I can still have struggled like

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his other down day, but what's
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I used to believe the down day.
The the not feeling great was

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the truth of a capital T of
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And any time, I was happy,
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I was doing good.
I thought, oh, that's the lie.

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I was tricked into thinking
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while.
So I was really again.

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Have you talked about your
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I realize such always the
reverse growing up so often when

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things come out and I'm empathic
energy worker and like I can

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tell, what's going on isn't just
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It's the state of the world.
It's a full moon today which

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adds to to my you know,
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I guess it's my time of the
month, you know, whatever you

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want to say it.
But so I'm really glad to be

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here with you and I think it's
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Anybody here that an expert in
anything is always learning and

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growing because do you think
that change stops as human

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beings is our change ever stop?
No, I don't and I'd say, you

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know what you're explaining in.
Is a perfect example of that is

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that we're all in constant
change were all in constant

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growth and that's going to have
the Ebbs and flows, right?

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That's going to have the ups and
downs like you're talking about

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and I'm really grateful that
you're you decided to come on.

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And I, you know, I can
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frustrations and the the lows
like you're talking about

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because I have have them myself
and the, you know, one of the

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things that really Oops, for me
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And then I was just discussing
this with a friend last week

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where we were talking about, a
difficult situation and he was

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like, oh, it's just like a, you
know, it's a roller coaster, you

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know, likes roller coaster that
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And I said, yeah, because if it
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Like who wants to go on a flat
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Like you, I mean, it'd be so
slow and you know, it would

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there would be any excitement
and he's like, he'd be a lot

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easier and I was like, yeah, but
but you just have to know that

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after after every They're right.
Then, there's going to come the

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peak and then there's going to
come, you know, you're going to

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drop down and get the excitement
of this, and then you go back up

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and then the Pinnacle here.
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of what we're all the change
comes from like we're talking,

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but that's part of where all the
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And I think, you know, I think
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me the way I look at it is that
if it was, if we were good all

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the time, you know.
No, that it would just get too

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monotonous.
They would it would get too

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boring and then we get upset at
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Then we'd be unhappy in that.
That's like oh man.

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I need some variety.
I need some spice in my life.

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You know, I need something
right?

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Because it's just kind of like
and so that's where I try to

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look at.
The situation is like you're

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saying hey really frustrated
about something really really

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struggling with something is
that, all right?

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This is adding a little, a
little spice to the the meal.

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It's not going to be so Bland,
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Going to taste better because
it's funny.

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It's funny to bring up early.
Like I'm a roller coaster.

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Junkie.
I love amusement parks travel

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was, was at Six Flags, New
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for Halloween.
And, you know, that's, that's my

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thing.
And one thing I realized as a

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kid.
I was really depressed, multiple

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suicide attempts, and I quickly
realized that I can't be

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depressed on a roller coaster
that first sale, like, are, you

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can't be, I can't be running
down Hail to the first, you

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know, the first big drop and be
like, oh no, I've got too many

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bills to pay.
Oh, no, that girl didn't like

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me.
I like it.

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I can't do it.
So I don't know if that's part

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of the, I love thrill rides
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the moment.
Well, when I was growing up,

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when again, when I was depressed
and suicidal, I thought, just

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the world was just horrible.
I thought I thought happy people

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were lying to themselves.
I thought, I again being, right.

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I thought I knew the truth that
life sucks and we're all

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horrible and we don't deserve,
which Humanity should just be

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done.
And I thought happy people were

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flat.
They were everybody everybody.

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That was happy was like
constantly there likely be like

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Ned Flanders.
Just Oakley.

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Lee everything.
They're just so high, it felt

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fake and I thought they were
lying, but I really thought that

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quote, unquote normal people
were this was this flat static

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life and what I find it much
like the roller coaster but

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almost like the stock market.
Ideally now, heís, keep getting

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higher and your lows are higher
than they used to.

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Because that's what that's what
I find in my life, even like,

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being low, energy, and wavering
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That's Milo day.
Day, no, that's what when I was

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plotting my own demise.
When I was begging God to show

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me a reason to stay alive.
This is a picnic compared to

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those days.
Yeah, and and that hmm.

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And it's interesting that that
I've been sobbing during prayer.

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And I do feel like, for all of
humanity, for the, we have this,

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this such an opportunity for
positive change is right here.

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Right, right on the horizon.
I just feel like that so much

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and it's also almost like my
personal resistance or not

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believing or the comfort zone of
that dirty half-filled cup that

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that kid is still in me
somewhere, and it's almost like

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a sense of disbelief, but one
thing's I know from from Story

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is, is the aspect of divine
intervention.

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Would, could you expand on that?
What was your experience?

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How do you decide to call
something that what was that

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like for you?
yeah, thank you for sharing

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about the emotion because I have
to have to say Andy that you

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know, I've been more emotional
probably in the past few years

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of my life than I probably had
ever been because You know, I

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mean you're younger than I am
but probably not too far off an

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age, but, you know, we grew up
in an era where you had to hide

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your emotions and, you know,
taught like that kind of that

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militaristic, you know,
leadership of, you know, being

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Macho and all this stuff.
And, and that's not really,

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that's, that's not conducive to
to growing as a human being, and

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having good positive
relationships, right?

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And that's something that I've
had to work on in myself as

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well.
You know, be more emotional.

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And I was trying this weekend
about something about something

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myself.
And, and, and I find that that

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being more in touch with the
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Really, really helps to have us.
Give a deeper understanding of

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ourselves as a whole, and as far
as the divine intervention.

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It came to fold for me really,
and I'll start by sharing last

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year when I when I, as I was
saying the quarantine started

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and people were shut down and
you couldn't go anywhere and my

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business had slowed down and I
kind of got anxious and

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depressed and isolated and
wondering, what am I going to

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do?
You know, I mean, I don't have

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any income coming in right now.
What am I going to do and

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everything?
I decided to pause and reflect

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on that and I said, okay.
I'm going to try to use the time

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as an opportunity and that's why
I wrote a Blog about using the

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quarantine as an opportunity to
be grateful and to expand

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oneself and to help others and
all these things.

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Like I was talking about with
what I had experienced like in

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another tragedy like in Hardin
and so I said, okay I'm going to

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do I'm going to do those things
myself and then I started

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writing at it reminded me of
what had happened.

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Twenty years ago, which is where
the idea for my book for 12

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hours and haven't came from.
And that's the original what I

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would call the divine
intervention for me, which I

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didn't realize it at the time.
In all explain, is that 20 years

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ago, when we were living in,
Southern California, and I had

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my wife, and we had two
daughters of the time, we

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understand been born.
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we'll coming back from a kid's
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It was about two hours south and
they're driving on the freeway

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and it starts to just rain like
whore.

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Rain and living in Texas.
I see that like every other day,

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but back then, it was just the
kind that, you know, terrible

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storm that we didn't see in
California and cars have pulled

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off the side of the road and we
were still so far from home that

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my wife's like, you know, we
can't stop because it's gonna

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get dark and meet me, it'll be
worse, right?

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We need to continue on and and
it didn't look like it was

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letting up and so we decide to
continue on and we're driving in

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the slow lane just very slow and
I hit a puddle and Start

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hydroplaning out of control and
we start spinning.

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The car starts spinning, and we
spin across three, four lanes to

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the left.
And we nearly hit the center

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divider and then we're screaming
and I'm trying to correct and we

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end up spinning the other
direction across floor for lanes

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and we go off the shoulder up a
dirt embankment and we hit a

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brick wall and we flip over and
land on the wheels and the Rufus

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down.
Smushed down to our heads in the

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Last is all cracked and that
windows on the side or cracked

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and that sides, all smashed in
and my daughters are now crying

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and there had been asleep.
And you know, my wife is okay

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00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:47,900
and my daughter's.
Okay, and we crawl out and and I

448
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,900
was like, you don't have a
scratch on us and the car is

449
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:55,800
completely totaled and a elderly
couple had pulled over.

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200
And the lady had wrapped a
blanket around my wife and she's

451
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,600
sitting there, you know, helping
consoler in my wife's holding my

452
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,700
little girls and just crying and
thanking God.

453
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:09,000
And I'm talking to the man
gentleman in tells me how I

454
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,300
called an ambulance, because I
didn't think you'd get out of

455
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,100
that car.
And he said, that's the most

456
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,000
incredible thing I've ever
witnessed in my life, you know,

457
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,100
in this guy's probably like 75
years old.

458
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,400
So, he's not a young guy, right?
And he's definitely had some

459
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,200
experiences in life, and I was
like, okay.

460
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,700
Well, alright, and then, as I
said, I was, you know, I was

461
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:32,500
young and, and arrogant and
Thinking.

462
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:34,800
Oh, yeah, I'm macho guy like,
you know, I don't need to get

463
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,000
emotional over this.
Well, then I go to they tow the

464
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,100
car away and we get taking an
ambulance.

465
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,600
And I go the next day to pick up
our things at the impound, the

466
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:48,400
impound yard and my Pontiac
Grand Prix is sitting on a

467
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,200
flatbed outside and I go inside
of the office and say hey, I

468
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,600
need to get my things out of
that.

469
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,600
Can I get them out of the back
of that cards?

470
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,300
You know, it's on the flatbed,
and he's like, what are you

471
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:59,100
talking about?
And like the fanpage, son,

472
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,200
flatbed, and he's like, that's
not your car and I'm like, yeah,

473
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,200
that's my car and he's like, no,
the whoever's driving that car

474
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,400
is dead or, you know, in the
hospital and I was like, no,

475
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,300
it's my car.
And he's like, I can always tell

476
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,000
what happened by the look of the
car.

477
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,700
And I was like, well, not this
time because this my car, right?

478
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:20,600
You show my ID and everything,
and get my things, and over the

479
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,900
span of a couple months.
I really started reflecting on

480
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,300
it because I was like and people
look like one after another or

481
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:28,300
like a miracle happened, a
miracle happened.

482
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,300
Like, you know, you guys were
protected, my mom gave me a

483
00:26:31,308 --> 00:26:32,800
little.
Japan and said your guardian,

484
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,100
angel protected you, you know,
your guardian angel in your more

485
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,800
meant to, you know, diet and
everything and the kids and all

486
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,300
that. and, That's where one day
isn't looking at the little

487
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,300
angel pin up in my car on my
visor.

488
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,300
I pinned it up on the visor and
looking at that one day and

489
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:53,400
that's where the idea for my
book came from and I felt like,

490
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600
okay, maybe it was, maybe it was
a miracle.

491
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,900
Maybe it was divine
intervention.

492
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,300
And then it wasn't until last
year when I was writing my book

493
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,200
and I started writing in April
and about June, I went through

494
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,200
very methodically like and I
know you're an author.

495
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,100
So I went through, I'm a cop
methodically, like I'm gonna

496
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,200
write 500 Words a day.
Ames right for a couple hours

497
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:20,900
every day, every funeral.
Well I hit about June and I

498
00:27:20,908 --> 00:27:24,200
started going through this
period of intense spiritual

499
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
connection where I just felt
like God.

500
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Like the Holy Spirit was here
with me.

501
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,000
And as I type, I felt like the
story was just being given to

502
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,400
me.
Like I wasn't, it wasn't coming

503
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,600
for me.
Like, it was coming from a

504
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,100
higher place from somewhere
else.

505
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,900
And then I started having dreams
and visions and I wake up at all

506
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:45,200
hours of the night with, you
know, ideas and and like the

507
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
idea for I spark change and all
these different ideas and all

508
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,300
these things that I felt like,
okay, you need Do this, like I

509
00:27:51,308 --> 00:27:52,700
was being called you need to do
this.

510
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,200
You need to do that at all these
things.

511
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,100
And and that's where I was like,
okay.

512
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,100
Okay, God, you know, I know it's
taken me 20 years to get it to

513
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,300
hear your message.
But I, you know, I'm listening

514
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,400
now.
And I, okay.

515
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,900
I had believe what you're saying
and, you know, I believe that

516
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,700
your you want me to do what you
want me to do.

517
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,000
And that's why I was like, okay,
this, this is, this is divine

518
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,200
intervention.
Because, you know, if I didn't

519
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,100
get the message, 20 years ago on
the And I definitely was hearing

520
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:27,000
in loud and clear now that you
know, that he had some plans

521
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,800
that I needed to to, you know,
to follow follow through form.

522
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:36,300
If one of the great things about
life is we're never out of time.

523
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,500
And as long as I'm still
breathing, we still have time.

524
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,500
So if it takes 20 years, if it
takes two minutes, like don't

525
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,300
beat yourself up, but when you
get it run with it, which is,

526
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:48,300
which is what you did.
So, so kudos to you and one

527
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,300
thing you say to that, that I
want to Circle back to That you

528
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,600
said I'm a macho guy.
I don't need to get emotional

529
00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:00,400
about this and it's like all
those structures and rigidity

530
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,500
and teachings of Macho and
tough.

531
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:06,200
And what it means to be a man.
It's like all men were wearing,

532
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,000
this thickest fakest mask long
before the pandemic.

533
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:14,300
And I really hope in your story
and my story and the

534
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,900
authenticity of every man,
willing to be seen and heard

535
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:22,200
that other guys here and feel
and get That you can have your

536
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,100
emotions and express them and
even cry, and be open with your

537
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:29,100
partner and your family, your
kids and be successful, right?

538
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:32,000
It's not it doesn't mean you're
down in the gutter because

539
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,400
someone saw a few who you with a
tear in your eye.

540
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Like you you had a miraculous
experience, but it sounds like

541
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,800
it took 20 years for you to
accept that.

542
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,100
Yeah.
This is amazing.

543
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,800
Miraculous.
I'm gonna do something with

544
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800
this.
Yeah, it really did.

545
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600
It really did and and I say, you
know, if you think about what

546
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,100
you're saying that all these
guys are wearing this mask,

547
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,300
right?
And I think there's still plenty

548
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:58,000
of them that are, but but one
thing I think is that, I think

549
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:02,700
in my case that God was kind of
peeling that mask off a little

550
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,000
bit at a time over the last 20
years.

551
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,700
And because right after the
accident as I have, so

552
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:13,200
reflected, I wrote myself what I
called it to do list for every

553
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,500
day.
As I realized, there's far more

554
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,500
important things for me like, my
family being present for my

555
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,600
family, and being grateful, and
being humble, and all these,

556
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,500
this list that I wrote and I,
and as I said, it was something

557
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,300
that I wanted to abide by
myself, right?

558
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,300
That's why I said was a to-do
list every day, these things

559
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,500
more going to I was going to
follow.

560
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:36,300
And so I think that was the
start of him like, all right,

561
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,300
we're going to peel off that
mask, right?

562
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:40,000
We're not ripping it off like a
Band-Aid.

563
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
You're not ready for that yet,
but but we're going to start

564
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,800
peeling off.
And then over the years, over

565
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
these 20 years, all the growth.
I have going through.

566
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,000
I've gone through the challenges
as a parent.

567
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,700
I have three daughters.
I think I was given daughters

568
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:59,800
for a reason, not Sons, because
then if I had Sons, I would

569
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,100
have, oh, you got to be a macho,
right?

570
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:05,600
I would have, I would have tried
to do all, embed all those

571
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:11,000
teachings that I had, as a, as a
young, as a young man, but, you

572
00:31:11,008 --> 00:31:13,800
know, very nurturing and very
loving with them.

573
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,600
And that's developed those
traits in me over the past 20

574
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,300
years to where, you know, I
think finally, you know, if the

575
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,500
mask isn't gone that it's almost
completely gone to where I can

576
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:34,000
be emotional to where I can
share my feelings, be authentic,

577
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,400
and I really have nothing, you
know, nothing to hide with

578
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,100
anyone.
And yeah, I think it was just,

579
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,800
it's just was just a slow
process of Peeling, that off.

580
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:46,200
Awesome.
Awesome.

581
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,100
Well, good for you that you
allowed the peeling and

582
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:51,500
welcomed.
What was underneath it because

583
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,000
that, you know, there's gonna be
a lot of, you know, I'm sure

584
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,200
I've resisted God back and forth
another about, you know, but

585
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600
it's a, you know, life is a
dance of contrast of highs and

586
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,700
lows and this too shall pass is
a cliche.

587
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,700
I hated as a kid, but, you know,
it's true and it's valid.

588
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,800
No, so true.
Yeah, I was, you heard those

589
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,500
when were younger, you hear
those cliches that, you know,

590
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,000
quote unquote.
Old people say and then you're

591
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,700
like, now I'm the old guy and
I'm saying all those things

592
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,900
that's cliches.
Yeah.

593
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:22,300
Yeah.
Yeah, because I mean, most

594
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:24,300
cliches are rooted in truth, but
they get.

595
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,200
So it's easy to just do plan to
blow it up.

596
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,700
But if you stop and like, oh,
wow.

597
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,400
Yeah, it's happening.
I'm living that cliche.

598
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,500
No, so you said the, the car
accident that you you and your

599
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:38,600
whole family survived without a
scratch. 20 years ago, became

600
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,700
the inspiration for the book,
but your book 12 hours of Heaven

601
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:43,300
is not about a car accident,
right?

602
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,500
Tell me, tell me.
About the book.

603
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,400
So the book is a is a fictional
story.

604
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,300
And as I was saying earlier,
when I was looking up at that

605
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:56,300
angel in one day and I having a
maybe a Daydream, if you will

606
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,000
parked in my car.
I put on the visor.

607
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,500
Like I said and all of a sudden
the story for the book, hit me

608
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,700
like a move like I had just
watched it, you know, you come

609
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:06,500
out of movie and you got it all
fresh on your head.

610
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:10,100
Like I had just seen it and I
had it very clear in my head.

611
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,800
And actually, at that time, I
did type out like a To Paris,

612
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,100
you know, maybe maybe a page on,
you know, word page, something

613
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,700
like that and I lost it on some
old computer.

614
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:28,000
Who knows what happened to it?
Well, the the story is about an

615
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,800
angel that is sent down from
heaven and he sent down to help

616
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,700
some people on Earth and on
Earth.

617
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,100
He helps them.
He helps 10 people with the

618
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,600
difficult challenges that they
have in their lives.

619
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,800
But the reason it's 12 hours in
heaven is because he finds it.

620
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:48,100
Himself trapped in an elevator
with these 10 individuals and

621
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,400
over the period of the 12 hours
that they're trapped overnight.

622
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,200
He's able to help them all
through the, through the

623
00:33:54,208 --> 00:34:00,200
challenge that they have and,
and I don't know exactly, you

624
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,000
know, I said it just came to me
like a movie and I don't know, I

625
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,100
think it was because I think the
reason it came to me that way

626
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,400
for the reason it developed into
my book 20 years later.

627
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,800
Is because the subtitle is
lessons for a better world than

628
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,900
these are the different
challenges that he helps them

629
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,800
through is because those are
many of the things that I've

630
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000
learned over over my life, you
know, over the past 20 years and

631
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,100
Beyond.
And these are all these are not

632
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,000
new.
They're things like practicing

633
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,100
gratitude or being present or
having faith.

634
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,100
And these are all things that
are have been around for, you

635
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:41,600
know, Millennium right for a
long time and have been taught

636
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,800
by people far greater than Than
I am, and it's just, it's put in

637
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,600
a, it's put in a vehicle where
people can relate to it.

638
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,000
People can understand the
characters, and they can see

639
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,500
what they're going through and
and see their authenticity and

640
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:04,500
their vulnerabilities and, and
seeing, you know, their Mass

641
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,100
peeled away if you will and, you
know, getting to a deeper place

642
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,600
for themselves.
Super.

643
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,600
Yeah.
And much like our discussion

644
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,500
about experts.
Then you know none of us can

645
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,700
teach something we haven't
experienced yet.

646
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:20,600
So the fact that it's been
around familiar.

647
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200
Yeah, and it's been around for
Millennia because more people

648
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,800
need to live it experience and
share their experience.

649
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,500
Like no one can argue with your
experience.

650
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,900
It's yours.
It's not like a someone else's

651
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,700
lecturer a book or a video that
we can debate.

652
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,800
The meaning of like know here's
what happened.

653
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,900
I learned this from this and I'm
not going to share it via this

654
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:39,900
fictional story.
Yes.

655
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,400
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.

656
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,300
And and I think I think apart Of
it is, you know, it also was to

657
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:51,800
birth what I'm working on now
because as when I was writing,

658
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,200
that's where all those ideas
were coming from where I said,

659
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
ideas and dreams and Visions,
all these all these ideas of

660
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,800
pay, you need to do more work,
Rick like you're not just here

661
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,800
to write this book.
Yes.

662
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,900
The book can Inspire some
people.

663
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:10,000
Yes, the book can provide them
some hope or teach them

664
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,100
something that they can utilize
in their life.

665
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,600
That you need to do far more
beyond beyond that to help

666
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,500
others.
And that's why I think it was,

667
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,200
you know, it was a good segue
for me into the different

668
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,500
things.
I'm working on now, and I know

669
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,900
one of those at least one of
those is the isobaric change

670
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,900
could community.
So it can tell me about that.

671
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:38,300
So I swear changed Community is
it's about spreading positive,

672
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,900
change and empowering
individuals to show them that

673
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:46,900
they're part of Of a community
that they're part of a group of

674
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:50,400
people that can Elevate their
social impact and that you're

675
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600
not alone, right?
That you can make a difference

676
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,100
that one person can change the
world and it's a theme that that

677
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:02,800
is woven throughout throughout
12 hours of Heaven about, you

678
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000
know, initiating positive
change.

679
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,400
And that ripple effect if you
will of no actions on how those

680
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:17,000
can can spread and And develop
into something beautiful and so

681
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000
nice car change, you know,
movement organization.

682
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,300
If you will group, I guess it's
a lot of different things, but

683
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,200
it's all about providing people
a vehicle, providing the visuals

684
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,300
a vehicle where they can you
join the community?

685
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:33,700
They know that, hey, these are
people that want to improve the

686
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:38,500
world and it's the precursor to
what we're building in the next

687
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:42,100
few years to have the world's
first social media platform.

688
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:48,100
That is %, geared towards
connecting individuals groups,

689
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400
clubs, organizations,
nonprofits.

690
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,300
It doesn't matter, but all these
individuals that are spreading

691
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,700
positive change, that are making
the world a better place.

692
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,300
And if you think about it,
there's hundreds of thousands or

693
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,800
millions of groups like that
spread across the globe.

694
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:08,200
They're all very fragmented, you
know, if you think of nonprofits

695
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,700
and I know I've worked with many
nonprofits and I know some folks

696
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,500
that run nonprofits and They're
very isolated because they're

697
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,900
always worried about.
Okay, we need to get our donors

698
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:25,100
and we need to support our cause
and and and it's it's not really

699
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,900
top of mind for them to be
helping the other hundred

700
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:33,100
nonprofits that are in, you
know, their immediate geography,

701
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,900
right.
And what what we're creating and

702
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,300
I spark change is going to be a
community where everyone will

703
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:45,500
support one another, what
everyone will provide resources

704
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:51,100
and tools and knowledge and
education to others that are out

705
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,400
there in the community where
you'll be able to find people

706
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,000
that are interested in, you
know, so for example, your

707
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,600
podcast that may provide a an
educational benefit for people

708
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,000
out there that don't have other
resources in that regard or that

709
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,600
may provide a way for them to
get in touch with your feelings

710
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,000
there.
It is, but it's just to have one

711
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,500
place where people can search
and find these different things

712
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,400
and and know that there are not
alone if there's people that are

713
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,600
working to make the world
better.

714
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:26,200
Yeah.
The thing is, it comes from

715
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,000
positive and negative
experiences that we all tend to,

716
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,300
you know, can isolate.
And even if we're trying to

717
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,100
improve the world Waco and the
only one perhaps, or we feel

718
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,300
like the world is miserable and
we're the only person going

719
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,200
through these difficulties and
it's easier to go.

720
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,300
I'm the only one doing this.
But, yeah, Community Connection,

721
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,100
I think it's something that A
human's yearn for like it's a

722
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,700
basic need and things like the
pandemic and forced isolation

723
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:54,400
and and political division.
Separation makes that harder to

724
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,100
get.
Yeah.

725
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,700
Yeah, you're absolutely right
everything.

726
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:03,400
He said, I agree with 100% is
that that those stories and

727
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,700
those experiences that we go
through, are what connect us as

728
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:09,900
the human species, right?
As the human tribe.

729
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:13,300
The you know, the whole tribe of
this Earth that you go back.

730
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,000
Thousands of years when you were
a little tribes and the worst

731
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,500
thing that someone could have
happened to them was to be,

732
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:23,000
outcasts was to be out of the
tribe in to be isolated and

733
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,500
alone.
And we've all been in that.

734
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,700
Like everyone in the world has
been in that situation.

735
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,500
Like we all got Outcast from the
tribe of humanity, for a short

736
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,800
period of time where we all had
to be, you know, in our house

737
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,400
for weeks, or months, or
whatever it has been and we need

738
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,000
that.
We need that human connection.

739
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
That's how we Thrive.
That's how we grow.

740
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,500
And Or bright positive and
negative.

741
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:51,300
All the emotions are what
stimulate the growth and that's

742
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:55,000
why we're hoping to connect to
connect all these people to show

743
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000
them that.
Yeah, you're not alone, whether

744
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
it's good or bad.
You're not alone.

745
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,700
There's millions.
Billions of people that are

746
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:06,100
going through similar things
that you are and that's where

747
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000
the connection, you know, the
connection comes.

748
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,900
Yeah, you know, I love, you said
about the fear of being an

749
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:15,100
outcast because I That is
especially true for men.

750
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:18,400
As I so many men will, oh,
you're pretending to be macho or

751
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,300
you're paying your dinner with
emotions.

752
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,600
All right, I'll pretend to.
So we all know we have this

753
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,000
community of people pretending
to be something else and because

754
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,400
we, you know, we yearn for the
respect and the camaraderie and

755
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,200
and there's a depth that we
aren't getting when we're just

756
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,300
at this surface level of sharing
the same mask only but yeah, so

757
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,200
true.
So true through your Awakening

758
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,800
has something stood out as kind
of the biggest surprise to you

759
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,900
that you've earned.
The biggest surprise you, that's

760
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,900
an interesting question.
Nobody's asked me that Andy, I'd

761
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:57,700
say the biggest surprise that
I've learned over the past, you

762
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:04,600
know, 18, 20 months has been, I
guess it'd be what I what I was

763
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,100
sharing earlier is that there's
so many people that have gone

764
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:12,600
through similar Awakenings, if
you will, that I have.

765
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,300
There's so many Jewels that I,
you know, connect with people

766
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,600
I've connected with people from
all over the world and they'll

767
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,700
tell me.
Oh, yeah.

768
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:25,400
Well, I had a story in this end.
There's so many similarities to

769
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,500
their stories, you know, whether
they had some tragedy or

770
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:32,000
something happened and you know
the growth that came out of it

771
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,500
in the change and what they're
working on and and I mean it was

772
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,300
a it was a welcome thing to find
out.

773
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,800
There's so many others that are
you know in the same boat.

774
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,700
You know, we're all going in the
same direction.

775
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,100
We're all trying to trying to
get to a more positive

776
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,900
environment.
But at first, I went through

777
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,300
those feelings like those
condition feelings.

778
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,800
Like, okay.
I'm going to try to change the

779
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,600
world, and I'm going to do it by
myself.

780
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,600
I, and I even said in a video, I
even said early on, when I kept

781
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,500
all that spirituality and
everything.

782
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,300
I was going through, I picked it
all myself and it wasn't until I

783
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,800
finished my book that I'm like,
okay.

784
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Now I feel this urge to share,
like, I didn't even share with

785
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
my wife.
I didn't share with any felt so

786
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,300
private and personal and maybe I
was afraid, maybe I was afraid

787
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:23,800
that people will judge me here.
But but when, when I felt this

788
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,200
urge to share, I even shared in
that video, I said, this is

789
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,500
something I'm going to work on
for the rest of my life.

790
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,000
Even if nobody else works on it
with me or even if I'm going it

791
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,300
alone.
I'm committed to doing this,

792
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,100
right?
I'm Kai feel called and I'm

793
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,300
going to go do it.
So even then I was like, okay.

794
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,400
I'm a nobody ever met ever, help
me, but I'm gonna Do this.

795
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,900
And then over the past year and
a half where you start talking

796
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:50,200
to people and you're like, oh,
I'm working on something

797
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,600
similar.
You know, I have a podcast like

798
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,700
yours where I'm trying to help
people, and, and then you

799
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,200
realize, okay.
There's, there's lots of people

800
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,600
that are doing this and that's
okay.

801
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,900
That's what I was.
That's what I was hoping.

802
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,600
That's what I was told.
That's what God was like, hey,

803
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,700
you're gonna, you're gonna be
able to put these things in

804
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:09,600
place and connect with people?
But then, of course, being a

805
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,600
human.
You're like, okay, you have your

806
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,800
doubts and you try to go on
faith.

807
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,800
Okay, I'm gonna go on faith.
Like I'm like, I'm preaching.

808
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,800
So that's bit a been.
I'll say it's been a surprise

809
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,900
even though I should have known
better.

810
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,400
Maybe that's it.
That's the not surprising thing.

811
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,100
We keep have to learn is, I
should know better.

812
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:30,200
Yep.
I didn't know that, but I wasn't

813
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,400
doing it and because I find for
me, I know about something.

814
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,200
It's in my mind when I really
know it.

815
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,500
I'm living it.
I'm sharing it.

816
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,500
I'm asking for help.
I'm out there doing so.

817
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,800
So, faith and gratitude.
All super.

818
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,700
Powerful needed, but without
action.

819
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,100
It's wasted.
Yeah.

820
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,500
Yeah, that's so accurate.
And I would say I was probably

821
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,700
that person that was, that was,
you know, talking the talk, but

822
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,900
not walking the walk for a long
time, you know, for four years

823
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,800
even.
So I finally got to a place for.

824
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,700
Okay.
Now you're going to you're going

825
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:06,500
to definitely do what you're
saying.

826
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,200
Yeah.
And again, I don't think there's

827
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,700
some Judgment of time or
restriction.

828
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:13,200
Again, as long as you're here,
you've got time to figure it out

829
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,400
and to take that.
Action to go.

830
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,300
Yep, enough's enough.
And, you know, I've been feeling

831
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,800
like the pushing through the
slog of this thing.

832
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,200
I'm supposed to do, but fear is
battling against it.

833
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,900
But yeah, beautiful and I'm so
glad to that they were having

834
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,300
this conversation and that
you're doing the work that

835
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:30,600
you're doing and and listened to
all those that that drive and

836
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,100
that calling.
Is there.

837
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,400
One thing that you wish more men
knew.

838
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:43,500
It's probably what we've been
talking about is that they don't

839
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:47,900
need to wear that mask, is that
they that they can be vulnerable

840
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:51,700
and they can be be authentic.
I even said, you know, I was on

841
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:56,000
a different podcast last week
and I said, yeah, and need to be

842
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,800
vulnerable and the host was like
whoa.

843
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,100
Whoa, whoa, you're you know,
dropping that word like men are

844
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,800
going to be freaking out and
they're gonna you know, they're

845
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,400
gonna start writing, you know, I
mean, he didn't say that but he

846
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,400
was like, well, it's really long
like, for you to throw that

847
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:19,100
around and And I think it's just
that, you know, for guys, guys,

848
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,500
that grew up in that generation.
Like I said, and that error

849
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:25,600
where you were, you taught, you
have to be strong and Macho, and

850
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,500
meaning.
And that meant, like, you can't

851
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:32,100
shed a tear that meant you can't
show emotion.

852
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,800
That's how I was.
That's the, the error that I

853
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,000
grew up and and so I think for
men to realize and and I've

854
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,900
connected with a lot of them and
I have Many friends that are

855
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,300
they realized it?
And that's probably why we're

856
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,200
good friends at this point, is
that?

857
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,700
That's, that's wrong.
If that's, that's old school

858
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:54,200
thinking.
Like, that's not, that's not

859
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,000
gonna get you.
Those genuine beautiful

860
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,200
relationships.
And like, if you want to really

861
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,300
be like you, like, you just
said, if to be living it, and

862
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,400
feeling it, if you want to
really be living and feeling,

863
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,600
you got to shed the mass, you
have to be vulnerable.

864
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Be authentic, be all.
Those those characteristics that

865
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,600
you were afraid of when you
were, when you were younger.

866
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,300
And that's where you'll have.
That's where you'll have the,

867
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,800
the the most growth in the most
benefit and you'll be the

868
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,100
happiest and, you know, the most
enriching experiences and, and

869
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,100
relationships and, you know,
right on.

870
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Yeah, and if this is just
hitting me now, as you went

871
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
through all that and shared
that, you know, our insistence

872
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,900
are not being seen as weak as
not being vulnerable.

873
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:46,100
Makes us so much more vulnerable
to stress and depression and

874
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:50,900
anxiety, and early death, and
disease, and a life of misery.

875
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,800
And that's what we're making by.
Not letting someone know that we

876
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,300
have feelings or, you know,
admitting to the world.

877
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:01,000
Like yeah, I'm not Superman or
even just the oldest jug about

878
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,600
men.
Like I'm lost.

879
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,600
I need to ask for directions,
but I'm not because I'm a man.

880
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,400
I'm just going to keep going
even though I have no idea what

881
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,500
I'm doing, but I'll never said
it out loud to somebody and that

882
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,200
that to me that vulnerability
can be that silly.

883
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,200
Right.
It's like it's not a end of the

884
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,100
world and the end of
masculinity.

885
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:18,900
Again.
It can save, masculinity can dis

886
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,000
can save men.
Yeah.

887
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,900
It's so true.
And even going back to what we

888
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:28,600
were discussing earlier about
the the being right versus being

889
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,100
happy is that if you know men
and and you know, women to and

890
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:40,800
individuals just in general
realize that they can share how

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00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,800
they're feeling without.
Can someone else's feelings and

892
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,200
without belittling someone else,
and you can have open dialogue.

893
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Then?
That's where the beautiful world

894
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,400
comes in.
That's where all the growth

895
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,500
comes in.
That's where where people

896
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:55,700
realize like.
Oh, here's a pretty cool.

897
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,100
Like, this is, why don't we do
more of this?

898
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:00,600
You know, why don't we, why
don't we stop doing the old, the

899
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,700
old ways because you know, we're
just not getting anywhere with

900
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,500
with those ways.
And yeah, and why do we welcome

901
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,800
change change?
What about why?

902
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,200
Why do we as as a species as a
gender?

903
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:14,600
Under, welcome that positive
change at the individual.

904
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,400
It's all there.
And from personal experience,

905
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,500
life is a, heck of a lot better
when you jump into the change

906
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:24,300
when you lean into the things
that you fear.

907
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,100
It really is.
Yeah, it is.

908
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:31,300
And and you know, speaking from
someone who has learned it the

909
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:34,500
hard way over my 50 years on
this planet.

910
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:41,300
It one one, good thing that I've
seen in in some younger people,

911
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,700
some of the Work that we've
done.

912
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,100
I start change has been with
like gen Z and some of the

913
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:50,600
younger Generations is that a
lot of the they seem more in

914
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,500
touch with their feelings and
they seem more open to their

915
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:57,000
feelings.
So that's a very, very positive

916
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,200
sign that, okay, as you know,
some of these Generations age

917
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:05,000
that they will start to spread
some of the things we're talking

918
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,500
about and there will be some
change positive change, you

919
00:50:08,508 --> 00:50:11,600
know, in that direction to
where, you know, the kind of

920
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,700
that Old school thinking dies
off, if you will, you know, I

921
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:20,500
mean, no pun intended, but it
eventually dissipates.

922
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:26,300
And then more of the, this
better way, better mindset,

923
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:30,500
better way of sharing your
emotion, and being open to

924
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,200
others.
Starts to take root.

925
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,300
Yep.
I see it every day.

926
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So I there's no doubt.
It's taken root from my view of

927
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the world.
But Rick, this has been

928
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,800
fantastic.
For me, I'm sure if everyone

929
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
listening.
What's the best way that people

930
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,300
can get in touch with, you find
out more about all the great

931
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:50,800
things that you are up to the
best way?

932
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,700
Is that is to just look for.
I spark change and that's the,

933
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:59,500
that's the letter, i spark
change and that can be, I spark

934
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,700
change.com, it can be Iceberg,
change on Facebook on Instagram,

935
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:07,500
on Twitter, Youtube.
We're on all the different

936
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,400
platforms.
And if they go like that, they'd

937
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,300
say, follow us on Instagram, or
Or join the Facebook group,

938
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:16,900
they'll see daily inspirational
content, motivational content,

939
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:20,900
spiritual content, that's shared
on a regular basis.

940
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,900
If they go to the website, they
can join our community and be

941
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:28,300
notified as we're growing with
social media platform and the

942
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,200
different things that were
evolving there.

943
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,000
We're actually about to launch a
totally redesign totally new

944
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,500
website with a lot of cool
things in the, in October, where

945
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,700
we'll have, you know, we've been
doing our Social impact

946
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,400
Spotlight, series of different
people that are spreading

947
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,600
positive, change that we find on
social media, but we'll have our

948
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,800
social hero hero Spotlight, and
these cool things that will be

949
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,300
rolling out to show some of the
people around the world that

950
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:01,800
are, that are doing your
spreading positive change and

951
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,500
are making a difference.
Awesome.

952
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,800
Awesome.
So great to hear about that.

953
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,500
Look forward to seeing it all,
again, from above my heart,

954
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,100
Rick.
Thanks for joining us today and

955
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:10,900
sharing everything that you're
up to and your story.

956
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600
Thanks everyone for listening.
Ooh us wherever you are,

957
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:15,200
wherever you're discovering the
real.

958
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,800
Men feel let other people know,
post, a comment and review,

959
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,900
share the someone else.
Share this with a guy that needs

960
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:22,800
to know that it's okay to feel
it.

961
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,700
Actually, his life will get
better if he feels and that

962
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,700
positive change is a good thing
and that all change can have a

963
00:52:27,707 --> 00:52:30,900
positive door into it.
Everything has opportunity.

964
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,300
You can reach out to me, anytime
at real men, feel at gmail.com.,

965
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,500
I'd love to hear from you.
If you want to explore, what

966
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:39,900
life might be like for you to
step into your authenticity and

967
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:42,100
vulnerability.
I read a book a free call with

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00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,700
Me, visit the Indy Grant.com
talk.

969
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Until next time.
Be good to yourself.