Regular Guy Chat with Jake | Sharing Your Voice

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Greetings and welcome to Real
Men Feel.

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I'm your host, author, coach,
and healer, Andy Grant.

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You can learn more about me at
the andygrant.com.

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Real Men Feel exists to remind
men that they are human beings

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and they have the right to
experience and express all of

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their emotions.
We have conversations that most

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men aren't having, but that all
men can benefit from.

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A rather random feature of Real
Men Feel is regular guy chats.

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That's when I have a
conversation with an average

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dude with nothing to promote or
sell, just a willingness to

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share.
It's been a year and a half

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since my last regular guy chat.
Today I'm talking to Jake Marco,

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a young man I met last month in
a self leadership class we were

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both attending.
We discussed Jake's experiences

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with purpose, spiritual growth,
and giving up marijuana.

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Jake discusses what his life was
like before and since his

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initiation into the modern
Mystery school.

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Jake also opens up about times
he felt hopeless and what he's

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done to live a life with more
joy.

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Let's do it.
Hello Jake, and welcome to Real

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Men Feel.
Thanks so much, Andy.

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It's great to be here and thanks
so much for coming up to me and

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saying, hey, hop on my podcast.
Yeah, so usually when I have

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these regular guide chats, it's
with someone I don't know well,

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and I met them.
Something about them made me

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want to reach out and give them
a platform and we we met just

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one month ago.
Yeah.

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So I, I think you might be the
guest I know the least about

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that I've ever had because I
think it was even just today you

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just you just sent me the bio
today.

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So I don't yeah, I don't know.
I don't, I don't know crap about

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you, which I which I kind of
think is neat.

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So.
So tell me first, why did you

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say yes to coming on Real men
feel.

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Yeah, Well, I guess when we met
a month ago, I pretty much was

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saying like, I want to get out
there, share my voice.

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Like I want to like I love, I
love public speaking.

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I love just being able to like
tell stories.

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So when you came up to me and
said, hey, here's, you know,

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here's my card.
I do this thing.

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It's like, OK, well, you know,
let me, you know, put my, my

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money where my mouth is.
So I'm going to say this is what

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I want.
Then why would I not say yes?

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Cool.
Yeah.

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So the class we were in, it was
from the modern mystery school.

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It was on self leadership.
And I think everyone's going and

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had to say like a goal or an
intention.

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And if, if I recall correctly,
you said I, I want to share my

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voice.
Yeah.

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Yeah, that was the big thing
that came up for me.

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Yeah.
And the first thing I wrote,

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even wrote in my notebook like,
well, what does that mean?

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Like, is he a singer?
Does he, like, you want to go in

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the math singer?
Like what?

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What do you do with your voice
that they even told you there?

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Like sharing your voice could be
going to the street corner and

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yelling at people like so.
So what does sharing your voice

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mean to you?
It's funny, actually, just right

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now I'm remembering that in the
class you had asked that

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question of like, well, it's a
great, great vision and all

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that, but what does that
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What are you going to do?
What does, what does that look

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like?
And I as honestly didn't know I,

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I had sort of meditated on like
a huge piece of my purpose a

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couple of months ago and got up
this idea, this idea of like

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sharing my voice kept coming up.
And I even took this Class A few

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years ago, back in 2021, I was
starting a program at Tufts.

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And it was actually, it was an
engineering program, but there

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was this offering of share your
personal voice and it was a

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storytelling class with this,
this instructor, Bob Ed Buster.

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And it was such an amazing
experience to like go in and do

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something that was not, you
know, super related to

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engineering.
We were talking about what we

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were doing, but it was really
like, how do you engage people?

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How do you connect with people?
How do you get them to see the

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wonder?
And I, I did really well in the

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class.
I really enjoyed it a lot.

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I thought it was of all the
things I did, you know, all the

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engineering classes and
everything.

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That was my favorite class I
took.

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So still sort of figuring out
like, I know I loved it.

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I can think back like that's the
most valuable thing that I think

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I did at Tufts.
But what does that look like?

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I don't know, like doing these
podcasts is been like a lot of

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fun.
You know, I started an

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Instagram, which made me very
nervous.

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I really don't like social
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Like haven't been big on it, but
getting like great feedback from

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it.
But also like I do like singing.

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So like maybe I'll join a a
community choir or something.

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That's sort of so many aspects I
could different ways I could go

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about it.
Have you always had this desire

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to share your voice, or is it
something that's new for you?

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That's a great question.
I don't know.

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I mean, I think there's always
been a piece of performing.

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You know, I played music back
when I was younger, like 4th

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grade through 8th grade, and I
played drums and always enjoyed

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going in the concerts and
getting the big old timpanis and

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drumming away on those.
And I've also like talked a lot.

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I teach swimming, some lessons,
I taught a few classes at the

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college level.
I've also done like one-on-one

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tutoring.
So like in that sense, there's

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sort of a sharing of the voice.
Like I, I like, I like being up

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in front speaking.
It's, it's as much as like I'm

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get very nervous doing it
sometimes.

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It's so invigorating to be able
to, you know, have everyone

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looking at you and be like, oh,
they care what I'm saying.

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Which not always, you know,
sometimes there's someone that's

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falling asleep.
But when you look at someone and

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their eyes are like, waiting for
the next word, it's like, it's

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like someone sees you, you know,
And I at least imagine most of

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us really want to be seen.
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When, when you said that in
class, well, first of all, you

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have a really great, deep
sounding, excellent voice for,

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for radio word for voice overs,
commercials, whatever it may be.

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And I was struck by how how
confident and charismatic you

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were for someone that was
saying, you know, or at least I,

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I, my assumption is someone
saying, I want to share my

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voice.
It implies that you're not doing

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anything right now, right?
So maybe so it sounds like

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you've always been sharing your
voice, but you just you're,

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you're feeling a calling to to
elevate that even more.

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Does that feel true?
Yeah, yeah, I think that is

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true.
It's like what?

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What is the next level of me?
I mean, I think it's like a lot

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of stuff that and people that
come to the mystery school are

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doing, like there's a lot of
people that come in and do this

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spiritual work.
They're like have really

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successful lives and want to
step it up to the next level,

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like pass what they think was
possible.

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So I think that's where I'm at.
Yeah, cool.

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So, so you mentioned the mystery
school where we're both

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initiates in the mystery school,
which which starts with a

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healing called a life
activation.

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So what made you say yes or or
look for a life activation back

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when you did it?
Yeah, it's, it's funny 'cause I,

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I was going through this sort of
debilitating back injury.

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I guess that part of it isn't
funny, but the I was really

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struggling for years, 2020
through 2022 with this

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debilitating back injury.
I was even stepping away from

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work and I remember in this
struggle of pretty much just

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sitting around lying down, not
waiting to get better, I reached

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out to one of my previous
professors.

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This he was a professor that I
really cared a lot about.

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Like he was a very amazing
mentor to me and both was very

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smart, studied in psychology,
was very successful in the world

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of business and as well as
academia, but also studied

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shamanism, was taught a shaman
and studied with indigenous

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peoples around the world and
actually had shamanistic

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training in one tribe.
And he got me to sort of believe

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that there was something greater
outside of, you know, here are

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the scientific principles like
he had.

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There is something about like,
you know, when you find a mentor

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that you you trust so much in so
many ways, and then they tell

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you something that pushes your
boundaries.

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And it's sort of like, OK, I
mean, you can't prove it to me,

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or at least you're not proving
it to me.

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But I believe there's like,
maybe there's something out

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there.
Maybe I should open up my mind.

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You know, someone who's, who's
in their 70s might know a little

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bit more than I do, might have
seen a little bit more of the

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world than I have.
So I reached out to him actually

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to sort of talk about like, I
don't know what I'm going to do

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with my career.
You know, I'm not, I'm having

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difficulty working because of my
back pain.

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I don't know what I'm going to
do next.

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I'm feeling like very hopeless.
And in the back of my mind, I

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was really hoping that he would
say, Jake, you need to go off

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and be a healer.
Like you need to go off and do

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the spiritual journey and that's
how you'll heal yourself.

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That's what I wanted.
And I was really disappointed to

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find that that's not what he
said.

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You know, we he gave, he gave
some really amazing advice, but

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that's like it.
Well, part of it.

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I didn't ask for that.
Like I didn't say to him, Hey,

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do you have any advice on your
spiritual things I can do?

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But then a week later, I was
talking to my chiropractor and I

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mentioned to him sort of this
story like this.

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I had this professor and we
talked a little about spiritual

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work in the past.
And that's when this this

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chiropractor doctor Nick
Penzarella mentioned we do a

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meditation with my wife.
Maybe you could get something

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out of that.
And it was with her that after

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the meditation, which was just
so blissful, so peaceful and

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even relieved some of my pain,
which was mind blowing.

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She mentioned this like
vaccination.

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And it was almost like I didn't
realize it at the time, but in

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retrospect of wow, I was asking
for something spiritual.

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Like I knew deep in my being
that there there was something

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greater.
Like this wasn't just physical

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pain, there was something there
was a deeper layer.

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The physical pain was just, you
know, a physical manifestation

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of imbalances that were going on
in my life.

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I'm not feeling fulfilled in my
career, having difficulty of

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regulating my emotions, my
relationships with, you know,

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family and friends and the
substances and all of that.

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So it was almost a a no brainer.
Like, yeah, I was looking for

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relief with my back pain and
trying to find more joy, but

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something deeper in the
subconscious or even, you know,

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deeper than the subconscious,
higher than the subconscious was

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saying you need to go off and
heal yourself so you can help

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heal other people.
Had you always had this yearning

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for spiritual growth and to be a
healer?

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Or again, it was this.
More recent, definitely more

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recent.
I think it really only came up

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sort of in college.
I started College in 2017 and I

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think I was very stressed
without realizing I was very

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stressed.
I don't know if that's a common

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thing among people, but it was
only later on in life that I

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realized how stressed I was all
the time, to the point where I

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remember sitting, remember I was
lying in in my childhood bed.

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I was home on vacation and I was
watching on Netflix this food

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documentary.
And there's one episode

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highlighting, you know, each
chef that they were highlighting

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in a series.
And this one chef, she was this

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Buddhist monk and was talking
all about how like she didn't go

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off to, you know, become a
Buddhist monk to become this

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crazy amazing chef that people
are so excited to bring from

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around the world.
But she went to sort of, she

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just felt called to this sort of
spiritual lifestyle and her life

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became like very simple.
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that.
It is very simple, like almost,

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you know, it's a negative
comment connotation, but almost

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bland, like there, it wasn't
very, if you've ever had any

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sort of Buddhist and inspired
food, it's not going to blast

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you in the face with flavour
because like that's not what

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they're going for.
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quieting, having that calm, the
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reflected that.
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I remember thinking like, wow,
like I always been connected

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with food.
My family is very connected with

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food.
My sister went to culinary

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school.
We like, love, love to eat.

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And it's like, this is a
different way of being in this

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thing.
I love food.

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And she's living in a different
way than I have thought.

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Like right now I'm going to
school for engineering, you

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know, working really hard,
getting stressed about keeping

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my grades up.
And I had this piece of what if

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I just did this instead?
What if I went off and studied

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as a monk and helped, you know,
helped people like relax, help

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them feel more connected with
them, you know, feel less

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scared, less angry.
So that I think that's where

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that first seed was planted.
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that's escaping from the world.
And what I think I found, which

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was really amazing coming into
the mystery school, as I've

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learned more, done more classes
and more initiations and

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teachings, realizing what's
really special is this is

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spiritual growth that is very
much in the world.

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Like only not everyone can go
off and be a monk.

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The world wouldn't function if
we if we all just put everything

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down and it went off and just
meditated every day.

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But to find something where I
could bring that peace into my

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life and then be surrounded by
other people and help spread it

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to them, it feels like I've sort
of found what I've been looking

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for and didn't realize I was
looking for it.

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Yeah, that, that's a great way
to put it.

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I, I, I, I get that.
And I, I've heard it from many

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others in, in the school as
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So that, and I really agree that
that's one of the things I like

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most about empower thyself.
The, the, the tools that you're

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taught that that's the weekend
long class that that makes you

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an initiate in the modern
mystery school.

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And it teaches you these tools
that are really grounded and

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they can make changes in your
life.

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They can really help you like
manifest things and and create a

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life that you you want to live
as opposed to kind of living on

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autopilot or just being
reactionary to everything

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happening around you.
So when did you become an

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initiative?
When did you take that class?

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That was December 3rd and 4th of
20/22/20. 22 OK, cool.

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And you've gone further than
that.

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You have become a healer, is
that correct?

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Yeah, in May of 20, May of 2023,
I went up to Toronto and I went

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to Healers Academy and it's the
class where it's a week long

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learning how to do live
activation.

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So it's like that first healing
that most people come to in the

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school.
And it had such a profound

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effect for me.
I sort of glossed over that, but

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it was, I think the easiest way
to put is where I was before was

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I was pretty stagnant.
Wasn't really, it's just really

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spending days lying in bed and
waiting to heal from this back

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injury, but not really having
hope and not really doing

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anything about it for myself,
having other people help me.

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And I was also unsure about my
career path.

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I, I didn't really feel joy in
and I was very stressed about it

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was, you know, pursuing APHD and
I had to step away.

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And it was also a place like
where I didn't have the best

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relationship with, you know, a
lot of people in my life, like

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my family and friends.
And I was very reliant on like

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substances like I would use like
marijuana like all the time.

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So it would bring the joints of
my life where after, after doing

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the life activation, things
started to turn around.

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There is suddenly now I'm not
waiting for someone to make me

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feel better.
I'm going out and I'm pushing

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myself.
I am, you know, finding a new,

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new practitioners that can help
serve me, not putting up further

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things that that are that aren't
bringing me the care and joy

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that I want.
I'm starting to build better

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relationships with my family,
with my friends, even like not,

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you know, cutting out like
people are bad, but like

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spending time with people that I
really feel like I want to be

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around.
Stepping out of my career into

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which was really scary.
And I for for years was saying

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like, I'm going to be an
engineer, I'm going to be an

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engineer, I'm going to be an
engineer and went to school for

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four years, started grad school,
did that for a year, said I'm

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going to become an engineering
professor now going to teach.

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And then right before this, you
know, big qualifying exam, the

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biggest deciding factor of
essentially cementing myself in

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this path, deciding I'm going to
step away.

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And later a few months later,
August of 22, that when I'm

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looking at going back, deciding
actually I don't enjoy this.

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I enjoy it within this box of
biomedical engineering.

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This is the thing that I'm most
excited about this particular

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field I was in and being able to
teach and connect with people.

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But man, that was so limiting to
put myself in that box.

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It's like actually the parts I
love the connecting with people,

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the guiding them towards living
something more purposeful,

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feeling cared for.
The teaching was something I can

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do in other places and find
something else that I'm more

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passionate about.
So all of these things changed

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with the life activation.
So after I did Empower Thyself

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in December, it was I got this
sort of download when I was

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meditating.
It was.

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Almost no brainer.
This is what you're going to do.

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You're going to go to Healer's
Academy, you're going to learn

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how to do the life activation
for other people.

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It was I felt more purpose in my
life in those like that's those

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six months following than I had
any time before.

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Like before, it was like, this
thing feels really good.

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It makes logical sense to do the
PhD feels like I really enjoyed

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doing it, and I did really enjoy
doing it, but never before have

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I been so sure of no.
This is what I was like

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preparing to go to Healer's
Academy doing prerequisite

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courses.
It's like this actually all

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lines up with what I feel most
joyful about, which is helping

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people to live their purpose,
Helping other people to, you

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know, smile more as they work
through their lives.

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Yeah, when I, when I received my
life activation, I was already

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working as an energy coach doing
Akasha record readings.

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I studied Reiki and all sorts of
other stuff.

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And, but halfway through it and
it's, it's, it can be a 60 to 90

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minute process.
But halfway through my life

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activation, I remember saying to
myself, I still don't know what

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this is, but I know I'm going to
learn how to do this.

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And it was before I, I didn't
know what Healers Academy was a

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thing, but I knew I was going to
learn to do whatever this thing

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is.
And it, it was true.

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So yeah, I had a complete career
path from it.

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Change and even real Men feel
came into existence one month,

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one month after my activation.
I had this vague, I'm supposed

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to do something for men.
But then after my life

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activation, oh, a podcast that
that's simple.

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Let's do that.
And even the title Real Men feel

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all came after my activation.
Someone asked me to speak about

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masculinity at a art gallery.
I was like, sure.

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And then I'm like thinking, what
if?

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What am I?
What did I say yes to?

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What am I talking about?
Why is this at an art gallery?

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And so one of the things I was
playing with like real men this,

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real men that.
And I just thought, well, what

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if real men feel?
What if?

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What if men were praised and and
thanked for crying in public or

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for laughing, for being joyous,
not just being angry and hungry,

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which is kind of the two main
things I see that are allowed

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for them.
So that's really what you have

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to mean.
That's why I asked, you know,

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did this wanting to elevate your
voice and use it more, did that,

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did that shift after your
activation or not?

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And it in your first time, it
didn't sound like it did.

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But in hindsight, it does sound
like that you, you weren't

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really taking action.
You're just waiting for others

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to kind of take care of you and
heal you.

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And you've been taking more
action since activation and

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initiation.
Yeah, that's an interesting

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thing to think about, how that's
related to my voice and sharing

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my voice because certainly,
yeah, I take took way more

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actions and some of them were
related to my voice.

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You know, part of what happened
was I actually, I left Tufts

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where I was doing my PhD, and I
ended up starting as a chiro, a

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chiropractic assistant.
So I worked at my chiropractor's

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office just, you know, first
checking people in, talking to

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people, making them feel
comfortable, sort of like a

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receptionist role, which quickly
evolved into a managerial role,

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like taking on, you know,
managing care plans and working

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with insurance and more recently
helping with marketing and

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things like that, which has been
a very cool experience, very

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healing, amazing.
Just like love people every day

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as a job.
Like that's so awesome.

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But shortly after I got that
job, I also like heard this

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opportunity at Tufts where I
left of they needed people to

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help teach.
And that was the part that I

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love.
That was why I was going to

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become a professor or why I was
doing my PhD.

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It was to become a professor to
teach.

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So I went back to my advisor and
essentially pitched to him, Hey,

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I'm the person that can do this.
Like hire me and I'll, I'll

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teach the heck out of these
students.

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I and I'll have fun doing it and
they'll have fun doing it and

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ended up making a course from
scratch, which was such a

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rewarding experience.
And a huge part of it was, and

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this is kind of meta, but it was
sort of like teaching people to

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share their voice from that
storytelling class that I took.

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I, I integrated some of those
lessons into this class and we

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ended up actually it was a
design class where we talked

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about problems in a certain in
the food space.

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It was a very food centered
field that I was working in.

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And throughout the semester,
students would take this design

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that they work worked on and
start to pitch it.

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And we use storytelling
techniques and workshop it in

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the class and people give
feedback and I would give

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feedback and they'd sort of
revise it and go again and talk

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about where people are engaged,
where they're not engaged.

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So it's definitely definitely
sounds like it has helped me in

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that aspect of sharing my voice,
but I didn't quite get the

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clarity on that's what I was
doing until very recently.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I get that
completely.

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Jake, what are you proud of?
What am I proud of?

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That's funny you ask that.
I just finished A10 month

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program called Cabalo, which I'm
sure you you're familiar with.

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Some listeners might not be, but
this is a program in the mystery

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school which unlike a lot of the
other programs and healings,

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which tend to be shorter, you
know, anywhere from 2 hours to

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like a week long.
This is, you know, like almost a

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year long program and part of
that final integration was

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actually looking at some things
in my life, like what are the

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fruits of my life?
And, you know, I think I've

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listed a lot of the things that
I'm really proud of, like those

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things that I like listed out
to, you know, less than a week

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ago, about a week ago, I hit
listed these out.

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Like creating that class,
something I was so proud of.

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It was such a culmination of so
many different mentors that I

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had, you know, and 300 hours of
work putting into this

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completely new thing that I was
actually so scared to do.

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I was like, well, who am I?
I, I'm just some guy who, you

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know, went to college, started a
degree, didn't finish it, and

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now I'm supposed to teach
people, some of whom like

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actually have higher degrees
than I do like I've have like

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master's degrees or working on a
master's degree.

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But it ended up being like so
amazing.

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Like I got such amazing reviews
from people were smiling,

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enjoying going to class.
I heard like people who weren't

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in my class were telling me that
they heard it was really

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awesome.
That was really amazing.

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I'm very proud of life
activating 5 people since I

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learns to do life activation
almost a little over a year ago.

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And so proud because of the
changes I've seen.

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Like I had one person who, I
mean it's such a multi

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dimensional change.
So many things came about but

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like one thing that was very
close to my heart was sort of

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drug use.
Like I said, I was using

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marijuana for like pretty much
habitually for five years and

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through the tools of the modern
mystery school, I pretty much

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cut cold Turkey and not even
because I was like, I, I need to

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00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,800
stop and be restricted.
I simply didn't want to anymore.

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After my initiation in in
December 22, I remember a few

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days later I was off of work and
I when I took, took one hit of,

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of of a pipe and almost
immediately, immediately

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00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,760
realized I would prefer to be
sober.

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And it was this stark change.
It was like I didn't need to do

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anything.
I had sort of lifted up.

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00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,040
Like I was suddenly like, I was
spending so much time plugging

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00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,120
out of life.
Let me, let me do some drugs,

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plug out of life and relax.
And suddenly it was like, oh,

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00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120
actually, no, I want to plug in
now because what I was plugged

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00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,040
into is so much brighter.
And one of the first person I

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00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,840
live activated came to me and
was talking about their

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00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,400
experience using nicotine.
And that was something they,

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one, didn't want to do, but two
were very ashamed of.

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Like, didn't want to be like a
role model to like, like, to

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like, worked with, worked with
kids and didn't want to be a bad

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role model to them.
And like right after the live

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live activation, she said she
stopped like completely.

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00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,320
She tried like get similar
experience.

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00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,760
She tried once or twice and
remember she was like, darn,

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00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,360
this doesn't work anymore.
Like I don't feel good after

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00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,440
this.
And to see that in other people,

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like, wow, that's so like this
person recognized it was they

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00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,080
were doing something that was
incongruent with what their soul

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00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,720
wanted.
And to help them say, all right,

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I'm going to live by my soul
now.

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Just like I, I don't know if
there's anything I can be more

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proud of than that.
Oh, very cool.

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00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880
What's one thing that you wish
more men knew?

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One thing that I wish more men
knew, it's a tough one.

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I think partly because there's
so much in our future now that I

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think is progressed, like in the
consciousness I think people are

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00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,360
seeing as men, it's way more
appropriate to feel or way more

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00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:51,320
accepted to feel.
I think one of the things I

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00:30:51,320 --> 00:31:03,040
struggled with was the sort of
idea of I need to know the

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00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:12,880
answer.
I need to be like, right, sort

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00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,680
of connected to that.
And, you know, in negative ways,

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00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
especially like in my, when I
was in like high school that

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00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,480
came out that manifested as like
arrogance, be like, I need to be

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00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
right.
And, you know, people would

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00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120
definitely be like, yeah, Jake's
just like an arrogant asshole.

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00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Like, that's the manifestation
of it.

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00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
But like, the layer below is
like, Jake's scared of being

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wrong.
Because if Jake's wrong, does

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00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Jake have value?
I I think that is a thing that a

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00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,560
lot of men deal with.
Yeah, something off and say is

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00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,920
most men would rather be right
than be happy.

504
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Yeah, yeah, and some.
Sometimes life lines up and you

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00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600
could be right and happy, but if
you insist on me, you're

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00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,160
probably not going to be as
happy.

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and is there a a habit or a

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00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
book or a practice that has
helped you that you could share?

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00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:29,800
How much time do you have?
You know, I think the biggest

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00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,600
thing is rituals, which I mean,
that can be a really, that's a

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
packed word right there, right?
There's a lot that goes into

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00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,560
that.
And for anyone who's not

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00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,040
familiar with like what we've
talked about the mystery school,

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00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,840
like there's, there's healings
and there's initiations and

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00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,360
there's other aspects as well,
different classes and the first

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,240
initiation doing empower
thyself, a weekend course.

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00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,960
And you have this initiation,
which is in some ways I can, I

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00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720
can like relate it to a healing.
And you know, my limited

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,960
capacity of knowledge about how
it really works in that a thing

520
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,800
is done to you and you have this
sort of inexplainable change.

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00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,640
For me, the most immediate was
suddenly I didn't want to smoke

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00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,600
weed.
I didn't like it anymore.

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00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,040
But then there's also these
things that happen throughout

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00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,720
the, you know, the whole 2
weeks, 2 days of class.

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00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360
And a lot of that is learning
certain rituals, things you can

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:39,600
do every day that bring more
light into your life, whether it

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00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,960
be very specific, manifesting
certain things that you want or

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00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200
just helping to balance you,
helping to heal you.

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That's been the most helpful for
me.

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00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,040
I've done them pretty much every
day since since I took in power

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00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,400
thyself and it's made such an
amazing difference.

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00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Just all my life how I hold
myself.

533
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440
It's like when I get stressed, I
don't need to think my way out

534
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,040
of it.
I have tools that can help agree

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00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,280
grounds me.
And as you know, as much as

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,840
meditation is amazing and I do
like love to meditate, I also

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00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,280
have it's easy habit for me and
I think for many people to fall

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00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480
off of like I was meditating
every day for months.

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00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,159
In the last two or three months,
I pretty much only meditating

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00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,280
classes.
But you know, a ritual like you,

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00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,239
you do rituals all the time.
You brush your teeth in the

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00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,080
morning, in the night.
So how hard is it to throw on an

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00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,800
extra 1?
That was at least my experience

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00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,960
with it.
And suddenly things are just a

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,719
lot brighter.
Awesome.

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00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,000
Jake, is there anything you're
looking forward to?

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00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Yeah, yes, Oh my gosh.
And I have no idea what it is.

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Really.
So if you have no idea what it

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00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360
is, how do you know you're
looking forward to it?

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Oh man, cuz I know it's going to
be amazing so.

551
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,200
You just have you have a sense
of coming amazingness.

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00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Yes, I I'm planning to, I don't
know totally what my next, you

553
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,600
know, he asked me where do I see
myself in five years?

554
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,120
And as much as I would do
terribly on a job interview if I

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00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:34,720
said this, I have no idea.
But I know a huge piece of what

556
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:40,440
I need to do next is some
exploration is stepping outside

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00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,760
of my comfort zone.
And whether that means moving

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,880
somewhere else or just stepping
into a new job or, you know,

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00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,600
likely, likely both, I don't
know what that's going to bring

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00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,480
me.
But I have this deep knowing

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00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,600
that somewhere else out there, I
have lessons to learn that are

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00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,800
going to help me to serve in a
higher capacity.

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00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,160
And I'm really excited to see
what those are and how I change

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,560
because of them.
Awesome, Jake.

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00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Finally what?
What's the best way for people

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,440
to learn more about you or get
in contact with you?

567
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,600
Yeah, the absolute best way.
Check out my website,

568
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,480
jakemarco.com.
It's Marco with AK, my

569
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Instagram, It's just Jake Marco
healing and just reach out

570
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:45,000
through those avenues and we can
get, you know, you can see sort

571
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,760
of what I've been talking about
through the Instagram and on the

572
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,680
website.
And then there's also avenues to

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,160
just find the time to talk
because there's no like cookie

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00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,320
cutter.
This is what I do because it

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00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:03,800
really depends on you, right?
It's very personal to find out

576
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,240
what your purpose is, What are
the things that are blocking

577
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,200
you?
And for me, that's the most

578
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,640
exciting thing, is to be able to
listen, like be that year that

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00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,480
people are often looking for.
Well, Jake, it was awesome to

580
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,720
get to know you a little more
and I too look forward to what

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00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,800
amazing things come your way and
that you create coming in coming

582
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520
months and years.
Thanks again for joining us.

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00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Thanks for sharing your voice
and your experiences, especially

584
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,160
with with the mystery school and
and everything else that you've

585
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,840
been up to and growing and
learning from.

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Thank you everyone listening for
joining us today, listening,

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00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,000
tuning in.
Please visit realmenfeel.org and

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00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,440
see the blog post for this
episode.

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00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,360
We'll have all the links to
various things and resources

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00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360
mentioned.
Wherever you're discovering real

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00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,760
men feel, whatever platform that
is, please do all the things you

592
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,880
can do.
Post, review, subscribe, share

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00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,280
with somebody, give a review,
whatever you can do.

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,360
You can always reach out to me
directly at

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00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,840
realmenfeel@gmail.com.
And if you'd like to explore a

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00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,480
conversation with me, not a
recorded show, but an actual

597
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,560
conversation to how your life
can improve, visit

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00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,360
theandygrant.com/talk.
Until next time, be good to

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00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:13,800
yourself.