The Power of Truly Showing Up: Embracing Humanity

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Hello and welcome to Real Men
Feel.

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I'm your host, author, coach and
healer, Andy Grant.

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You can learn more about me at
the andygrant.com.

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Real Men Feel exists to remind
men that they have the right to

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experience and express all of
their emotions.

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We have conversations that most
men are not having, but that all

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men can benefit from.
My guest today is Marcy Axelrod.

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Marcy is a best selling and
award-winning author, TV

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contributor, Ted X, speaker and
management consultant.

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Her latest book, How We Choose
to Show Up, is an award-winning

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#1 bestseller based on over 20
years of research.

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How We Choose to Show Up
presents nature's model for how

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humans are designed to show up
and thrive.

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Marcy shares the gift that
developing a stutter at age 6

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brought her the three roles we
are always engaged in and the

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three levels of showing up.
Marcy tells us why 80% of people

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are just showing up.
Action to take so that you can

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truly show up.
And one thing she wishes more

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men knew.
Let's do it.

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Hello Marcy, and welcome to Real
Men Feel.

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Andy, it is so great to be here
and I feel that you have helped

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so many people on topics that
are literally life saving.

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So the honor and the energy from
you that I feel being with you

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is, is palpable.
Oh, thank you so much for that.

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So you're an expert in showing
up.

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What does that mean 'cause I
know, 'cause sometimes I can, I

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can show up and I can and I'm
showing up.

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You know, it's, it goes both
ways.

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So.
Yes, I will bring the book over.

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I'm ready.
Wait here.

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Yeah.
What is showing up?

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It's a great question because
it's not what people think.

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Most people think showing up is
just walking into a room, right?

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You get off your couch, you show
up.

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Nothing could be further from
the truth.

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Showing up is existential.
Showing up is literally the

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experience of our lives, and we
do it in three roles at all

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times, not one.
We're not just an individualized

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self, and what we do flows
massively through others.

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So showing up is a choice of how
to be in the moment that honors

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the individual, the situation,
and the societal role that we

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all play it literally the world,
every moment.

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So is it?
Is it very different than being

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present?
Is being present in the moment

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mean you're showing up?
No present is necessary, but not

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sufficient because present
seeing leads you to the gates,

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but it doesn't really step you
in.

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You need to recognize that
behind how you present, you

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know, underneath how you, how we
all present is our set of

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beliefs, is our thoughts, and is
the attention system that we use

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to exist in that moment.
We have two attention systems.

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That's the great Ian Mcgilchrist
has explained to us, one of

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which makes you, Andy and
everything out there a thing.

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You're just a thing.
You're the thing that I'm

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talking to, right?
Ever, ever kind of walk through

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life and like someone's just a
thing.

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You don't feel what they feel.
You don't care.

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Everything is transactional.
It's an abstraction, you know,

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right.
So that's one way of attending,

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which is our left hemisphere
dominated way, right?

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That's the like there's a rabbit
in the Bush.

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I'm going to get it, I'm going
to kill it, I'm going to eat it

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and bring it back as food,
right?

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It's a it's a control over the
other way of attending to the

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world.
Andy, this is the one where

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right now you are changing me.
I'm feeling you.

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There is a depth in your
presence and I'm feeling it

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right here, right now through my
nervous system.

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And it just changed my breathing
and it reset me because it is

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now reminding me that, Andy,
what you and I are doing right

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now, it matters.
People may listen, people may

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not, but the energy that we're
putting out there, the fact that

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we are connected, that is what
the right hemisphere let's us

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do.
It's the only one that perceives

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anything new when we're just in
get it done mode.

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What I call just showing up,
right, it's level 2 and on our

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123 scale that I will show you.
When we're just moving through

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life and just showing up, we're
largely in that left hemisphere

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mode.
People are transactional beings.

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We're not in that moment able to
care.

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So I mean, presenting is
important, but there's so much

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more there's.
Do you understand the truth

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about showing up when you
understand the belief system

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about how the world works, you
presence very differently.

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And I'm going to you know, there
all these graphs are going to be

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in the show nodes, but levels
1-2 and three of showing up

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barely there just showing up,
which 80% of us do 80% of the

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time.
And then truly showing up, which

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is your full choice to inhabit
the moment with deep contact

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with it and, and, and the
newness of it, the, the people

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who were there, the environment
that's there, the much broader

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system.
Physicists being fully present

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and really fully alive because
you're, you're, you're engaged.

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It's not just transactional.
It's not just I'm surrounded by

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things and I'm just in this, in
the world of nouns.

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Well, it's in all three of our
roles, right?

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And you can't just be in a self
role and truly show up.

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You're also in your situational
role where you recognize the

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fullness of your impact, which
also means you're in your

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societal member role, right?
So we humans are only existing

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because of collective action,
right?

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We only existed as a member of a
tribe, right?

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The the individuals, the
gazelles, right, who get left

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behind, the group are the ones
who are victims and don't

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survive.
So we only exist now because

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we're a member of society.
So the is, it's more than what

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you were explaining.
It's recognizing the truth about

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showing up, which is that you're
impacting the world right now

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and that the kind of small, you
know, perhaps invasive thoughts

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in your head are really not the
ones to focus on.

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That's living as a very small S
for self.

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We're supposed to live in our
big S self, right?

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It's the it's the self of
Eastern contemplatives and

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indigenous people, peoples, and
really the roots of almost every

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religion on the planet
recognizes that we are deeply

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interconnected with something
well beyond ourselves.

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That's the large S self.
And I'm just dabbling on like

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what the model of showing up
truly is.

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There's a model we're in.
And this is what I believe is

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nature's model of how humans are
designed to show up to thrive.

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This is not Marcy Axelrod's
model.

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This is nature's model.
Overtime, it's going to evolve.

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It includes a lot of the wisdom
that's already out there, but it

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puts it into a model that lets
us understand and really get

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outside of those intrusive
emotions that kind of Michelle

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Maidenberg was talking about,
you know, trying to avoid and

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all these things.
And we should talk about that

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'cause there is no avoiding
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We're in three roles, self,
member of situations and member

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of society, right?
Each role has a skill.

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We can get into that grounding,
readiness and connectedness with

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intent to serve.
And there's always a level.

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Everything has a level of
quality 123.

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If this is nature's model and
we're we're meant to truly show

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up, why are 80% of the people
80% of the time only kind of

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showing up?
Just showing.

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We're just showing up.
Level 2.

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Yeah.
So there are two things I want

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to answer.
So I'll answer why and then and

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then I'll kind of get at like,
what we're really made to do

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because we're made to live along
the continuum at all times and

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dance along that continuum.
So 80% of us, here's the

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continuum I'm talking about.
Why do 80% of us just show up?

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So you tell me what society
teaches us all those lies.

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You have to be busy.
You have to value things that

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are irrelevant.
You, I mean, you have to book

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your schedule with stuff that
doesn't contribute in the way

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that your soul tells you is the
right thing for you to be doing

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on the planet.
Should I go on?

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We're constantly triggered with
images and headlines that are

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meant to pull our attention, not
nourish it.

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On and on.
So society is designed right now

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to create the beings that we
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Unhappy, stressed, triggered.
I'll.

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One of our three roles is is
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Humans exist due to society, but
society is also what's keeping

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us from truly showing up is
giving us incorrect messages.

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The current incarnation of
society is what has led to the

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illness we have now.
Our planet's illness, our

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atmosphere's illness, our our
own physical, mental, emotional,

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social, spiritual illnesses.
That's exactly right.

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And this is exactly predictable.
Many, many cultures have gone

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through this demise before us.
If you read book like Patrick

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Ofel's Why Civilizations Fail, I
mean, you know, this has been

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done many, many, many times
before, which is yeah.

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And I mean, this whole meta,
meta crisis, right, where

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everything is intertwined.
And Daniel Schmotzenberger

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speaks about it so, so
beautifully.

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We all feel that if we don't
stay on the rat race we're going

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to lose.
So we have a tragedy of the

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Commons on many levels,
including our own psyches and

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mental health.
Has American Society ever had

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the majority of people truly
showing up?

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Oh wow, I've never been asked
that has American Society, so

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let me explain.
Truly showing up isn't living in

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Level 3.
Truly showing up is

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understanding how to live in
Level 3 and doing your best

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because we're always moving
through 1-2 and three.

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Sometimes you just wake up and
you're 6.

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Sometimes a loved one passes
away and you're in barely there

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level 1 and you need to be
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You need to process those
emotions and cry all day, right?

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So, so being in level 1 and and
level 2, these are not bad

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places.
However, ideally they're

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stepping stones toward being
able to choose to be more right

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hemisphere focused such that
we're feeling with and we're

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feeling for.
We're not just two right people

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talk supposedly to each other
and we're kind of doing all

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sorts of things.
And we're not really, we're not

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like this and we're not like
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So I want to be careful.
Truly showing up is the ability

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to choose because you understand
how nature designed humans to

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thrive.
What attention system helps us

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to perceive anything new so that
we're naturally engaged,

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fascinated, and caring.
So before tech and when we were

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connected with the earth.
So I'm getting back to your

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question, has has American
Society ever been more of a

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truly show up culture?
Yeah, absolutely.

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When we were more linked with
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So, you know, less city based
concrete, all of that when we

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were more intertwined with the
with our descendants, our

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relatives, our families, the
history, right, You know, last,

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the last name Baker and
Carpenter and all of that.

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That's because that was our
profession, right?

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So you kind of grew up with a
purpose to continue the family

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line.
The reputation of your last name

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was deeply meaningful.
The moral code and structure by

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which people live.
So all of these things, but kind

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of the big three are connection
with nature, connected with

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something beyond ourselves
being, be it a spiritual

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relationship or a familial sense
of identity that grounds us.

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Yeah, those are those are kind
of the big, the big 3.

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And when you have that, you
don't have this hollow seeking

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of, you know, there's an
insufficiency in my life that I

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need to fill and I'm lonely and
I'm miserable and I'm angry.

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Like that is those things don't
really take hold the way that

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they do.
Now, when you have that

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connectedness with something
beyond yourself and you

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recognize you're not just a
small S, right?

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You're the bigger self.
So it sounds like showing up is

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kind of like a building with
three floors and you we've all

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got an elevator and as long as
you know that there are three

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floors to go to, stopping at any
one of them is OK.

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But if you're in the ground
floor and you don't know that

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there are floors above you,
that's the real problem.

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Love that.
Interesting, yes, if you don't

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understand what it means to
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situations.
Right in your situation,

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memorable to be grounded in
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connected with intent to serve
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If you don't understand what
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structure of acceptance that
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you're you're you're not able to
truly show up very often.

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I really want to touch on that
acceptance, right?

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The continuum, like because we
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minute, every hour, every day,
every decade, every beginning,

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middle and end, and, you know,
across our lifetimes and our

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legacy, we are dancing along
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And so is everybody else.
So Andy, and so is everything

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else.
Systems of social justice, the

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architecture of poems, right?
Why don't they look more

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organic?
Why do you live in boxes with

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right angles when there's no
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or in the universe, right?
Your school system, your job,

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you know you were into
videography, right?

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For a large company, Cisco, When
you, when you think about how is

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Cisco showing up?
How is its brand showing up?

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How how do the machines that it
builds on this planet serve

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right?
So everything shows up.

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And because of that, there's
there's this acceptance system

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that's naturally built in,
right?

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One leaf doesn't criticize the
other for becoming a deeper red

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in the fall.
We aren't here to do any of the

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kind, right?
So I want to kind of get these

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core concepts out there in
response to what you were saying

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about, you know, levels.
Yes, there are levels, but

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there's there's also a
tremendous contentment and

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release that comes from
understanding the truth about

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showing up and letting everyone
show up for who they are in the

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moments.
Is is there a natural way that

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individuals progress from just
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Or must it be you know it's only
the result of reading your book

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or attending some sort of
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Yeah, there's a, there's a
natural progression.

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I mean, as you practice things,
you can start to default to

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them, right?
This is what learned the, the

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normal path of learning, right,
is something can seem effortful

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and then over time it's less
effortful and you and you start

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to do more of it more often with
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And I actually have a chart at
the very beginning of my book

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that talks about what, what
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when, when we start to practice
showing up and it, and it

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basically shows that over time
we kind of start to default,

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like by nature to a higher level
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And then things are just
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You know, relationships deepen,
contentment deepen, addictions

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have less of a biting hold on
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Yeah, this is the chart, how
showing, and I call it how

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showing up improves performance.
I don't know.

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I get that or anybody can see
it, how showing up improves

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performance.
Bottom line is life, instead of

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doing a lot of this and you
know, with emotions taking hold

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and pulling us, we can feel the
emotion and just sit with it and

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reflect on it and not be ruled
by it and then have a choice.

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How am I choosing to respond?
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And again, so the notion it's
choice, there's multiple levels

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it it's it's fluid.
Someone doesn't I've I'm truly

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showing up today and stay there.
You know, let me address that

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if, if I could, you know, fully
showing up when you've gotten a

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great series of nights of sleep,
when you've had good nutrition,

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when you've gotten enough, you
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motion.
You know, when a lot is in

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place, it's going to be easy to
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But then there's a point where
you need you just you know,

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you've, you've you've paid deep
attention for a long time and

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your brain needs you to go take
a walk around the block, right?

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And you just, you just use just
showing up and just kind of

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being and letting it be as a way
to rejuvenate, right?

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Because every, hmm, every
situation, every societal role

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doesn't require or perhaps even
benefit from you truly showing

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up in in every activity.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, life.
Life is an impromptu dance.

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It just is.
And people often ask me, they

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say, Marcy, I can, I can, like,
prepare myself.

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I can ready myself for my
moments, OK, But just like any

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good plan, the moment it
encounters reality, it flies out

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the window, right?
So they say, how do I prepare to

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default for like an
improvisational dance?

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That's at the level that I want
to function as a parent, as a

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leader, as a friend, right?
And the answer that I give is

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the more you think through and
reflect on the truth about

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showing up, what are the beliefs
that underlie it, right?

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What is the broader system, the
more it's effortless and you

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just naturally start to default
to Level 3 truly showing up.

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But it's really, you've got to
reflect on what do I believe

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about how the world works,
right?

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Is there one VP slot?
And either, you know, Joe gets

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it or Jane gets it and that's
it.

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Is that really the way things
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So I am, I'm against the system,
I'm against this person.

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No.
So there's a lot of things that

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get in the way that once you
kind of read the book and start

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to recognize it, it just starts
to show up.

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Goodness starts to show up for
you and as.

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You mentioned one of the
benefits of of truly showing up

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is improved performance.
Absolutely.

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And is that just in everything
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Is it primarily the workplace?
Like what?

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What else?
What?

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Why do I want to truly show up
everywhere?

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What's the benefit to me?
You know, Andy, I'm so going to

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ask you, well, you tell me is
who you are and how you show up.

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You know, it's only when you're
looking this way, but it's not

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when you're looking that way
because like the workplace is

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over here, but your
relationships are over there.

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You know, it doesn't, it doesn't
work that way.

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How you show up is how you show
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I mean, granted, it, it may be
that your spouse or teenage kids

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aren't in the workplace.
So maybe showing up in the

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workplace may seem easier or
lighter.

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But the truth is what underlies
our behavior and our belief

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system about how the world works
that goes with us everywhere.

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So the more you truly you're
capable of kind of invoking this

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right hemisphere way of living
to truly show up, it'll help you

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in everything.
And I've heard you mentioned

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service a number of times.
So is is being of service part

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of that societal role or or or
is it and is being serviced more

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when you're truly showing up?
Yeah, so the the big S self is

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the interconnected giving self.
So it starts to merge with our

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societal role.
And of course the point of

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contact with reality is our
situational role.

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So the orientation of taking
that mirror, that self mirror

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doing this, I mean, it orients
us naturally across all of our

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roles into being of service for
the greater good.

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Doesn't mean you quit your job
and go spend your life building

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homes for for Habitat for
Humanity or some other giving

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thing.
It doesn't mean that you have to

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take all of your your life that
way.

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But what it does is in
everything you do, you are

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recognizing that it is insert.
Everything we do is in service

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of others.
Let's let's think about that.

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So let's just put that lens on
everything and all of a sudden

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you'll start to show up
differently.

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And you've said that this isn't
something that you created.

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This is this is a nature so and
I know you've done years of

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research in this.
So how, how did you, how and why

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did you end up being focusing on
on showing up?

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Yeah.
So at age 6, when my family

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moved from Baltimore to Boston,
you know, everyone was busy and

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little Marcy there had to raise
my hand and say, help, No one's

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paying attention to me.
So what actually happened is my

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throat started to lock and I
started to stutter and I

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couldn't show up as I wanted.
And I became an endless disciple

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of studying others.
How are others showing up?

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And why are they showing?
They're throwing their show up

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choices away.
They don't recognize, you know,

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and what I mention is, you know,
and there's this vivid image of

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mine in line on the blacktop,
you know, to play Foursquare

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outside my elementary school.
And there was this bully in the

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a square, this popular kid who
was slamming everybody out in,

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in the line where all these
other kids and they were like,

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Oh my God, I'm going to get
slammed out again.

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And it's awful for me and
everyone's going to see it.

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And I said to myself, why?
The bully isn't thinking about

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how he's showing up.
The other kids aren't thinking

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about how they're showing up.
The educators aren't coming over

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and telling the person in the,
in the a, a square, if I see you

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slamming kids out, you're going
to have to go and get, get

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online again, you know, because
that doesn't, that doesn't

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support the game.
You know, it doesn't support the

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system of what we're all doing
here of learning to relate

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anyway.
So that's how it all started.

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And then I just started to
devour psychology and

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neuroscience and philosophy.
And then I became a strategy

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management consultant and
started to do global studies

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about how companies achieve and
what creates an effective

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workforce.
So just put it all together.

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Cool.
So we're still early in 2025.

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So, so are there are there
concrete steps, recommendations

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that that people can, you know,
make this the year that they,

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they truly show up, if not for
the first time, but more times.

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Right.
Yeah, yes.

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And I'm going to structure this
for you.

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I'm going to give you physical
things, I'm going to give you

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emotional things and I'm going
to give you beliefs.

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The physical thing I want people
to do when you, and this will

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have a huge impact when you wake
up, the moment you wake up,

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pause.
Don't just let the consciousness

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return and then jump into action
because what we want to do more

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is be, not do.
And what's going to happen?

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Maybe you sit up in bed, you're
naturally going to do something

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first that's different than
you've done before.

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And when you do one thing that's
new, the next thing that follows

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is new and the next and the
next, right?

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For for those listeners who have
seen the famous video by

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General, I want to say
McCracken, make your bed, right?

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He starts out, one thing leads
to another to another.

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So when you wake up, pause.
You'll do something different

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that'll lead to a trail of
things that are that are

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different.
And what you likely will do is

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you'll notice.
Noticing is a huge part of truly

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showing up because everything is
new.

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But we don't notice that it's
new because from our left

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hemisphere, the past just shows
up.

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All it's doing all day long is,
Yep, I've seen it before.

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I've seen it before.
He's going to say this and she's

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going to say that.
And I, I don't need to look over

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there because I know what's over
there.

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And OK, you'll start to notice.
Maybe some gratitude will show

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up.
Wow, my partner is so thoughtful

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of me or wow, I've got those
kids upstairs or of a roof over

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my head or wow, I'm not feeling
pain or wow, I'm feeling a

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little bit of pain, but it's not
as bad as it used to be, right?

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So that's the physical thing.
Pause.

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First thing, the belief system
thing that I want you to

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recognize you are impacting the
world at every moment.

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I have the science in my book to
to talk about that.

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It is absolutely massive.
Recognize that.

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So the belief system, everything
you do matters.

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So you must choose how you're
showing up.

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The emotional thing, when you
are with another person, look

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into their eyes and you will
feel them.

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And I want you to emotionally
notice how your body is showing

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up for you, because what you're
going to suddenly feel is care.

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Care is the center of showing
up.

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It is how we are designed.
We feel others in an instant,

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even when we don't see them.
From a one second touch to a

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forearm, 68% of the time people
guessed what a stranger they

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can't even see is feeling.
That's the work of Dacre Keltner

450
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,600
at the Greater Good Science
Center, University of UC

451
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Berkeley.
Anyway, so #1 when you wake up,

452
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:20,160
just pause and see what shows up
for you #2 when you're with

453
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,720
someone, feel what they feel.
That's care.

454
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000
And then the third thing is know
that you're impacting the world

455
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,600
at every moment, so choose how
you show up.

456
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,960
And doing those three things,
Yes.

457
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Is it even possible to barely
show up that day?

458
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Across the day, Sure, but you
will probably show up more as

459
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,400
you choose more often.
What makes someone, well, maybe

460
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,080
it is is is if if someone falls
into just showing up or barely

461
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
showing up, is it always in
response to to circumstances or

462
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,160
is it other other other causes?
We naturally just show up in

463
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,880
today's world because we're so
on on the go.

464
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,480
OK, so it's all the, the, the,
the messages, the busyness, all,

465
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
all of the stuff that's already
mentioned is what's what keeps

466
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,600
people in there.
So our behavioral patterns today

467
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:25,200
are far more oriented toward
level 2 just showing up then to

468
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,320
having a calm nervous system
that brings us into a presence,

469
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:38,680
seeing in the moment with a with
an attention system of noticing

470
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:45,040
the death and truly being with
also doing this non judgmentally

471
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,920
right.
Don't interpret, just feel what

472
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,880
is there because the moment you
interpret, you've actually let

473
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,400
you aren't even in the moment
anymore.

474
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,040
You aren't there.
You are in some assumption, some

475
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,720
bias, some I can get that.
That's what this means they're

476
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,200
for.
That's not what's really going

477
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,280
on.
So what societal changes need to

478
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,280
happen to encourage more of us
to truly show up?

479
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,520
Oh wow, Oh my goodness.
Well as well we are that change.

480
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,680
The more often we can truly show
up, even if it's just a few more

481
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000
seconds a day, we will shift
society.

482
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,600
The specific societal changes
that need to happen is more of

483
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800
us need to recognize that the
small S self that we're living

484
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,520
in is just a total farce.
You know, call it an ego, call

485
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640
it an I.
I mean, it is.

486
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,280
It is a real danger to the
health of the world and the

487
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400
health of us and the legacy of
everything we leave behind.

488
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,960
We don't want to teach our kids
that, you know, hey, you're #1

489
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
let's go get back to #1 let's go
think about what's most

490
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,080
important.
You know, that messaging is

491
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,360
horrific.
If we thought that way when we

492
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,320
evolved, we wouldn't be here.
Like what other support do do we

493
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,840
need to recognize like, wow,
that's the thing to change.

494
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,000
We are situation members and we
are societal members at least as

495
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,640
much as we are individualized
selves.

496
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,640
And Andy, what's really
important is distinct does not

497
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,280
mean separate.
The loneliness epidemic that's

498
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,400
out here.
The fact that our surgeon

499
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,520
general wrote a book not about
obesity or cancer, he wrote a

500
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,840
book about loneliness.
It's called Together.

501
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,200
So that is because we're
misunderstanding what the self

502
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,400
is and we're totally missing the
other two roles that we're in.

503
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400
We're in three roles.
Let's not forget that.

504
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,560
It's core to showing up.
And we're in those three roles

505
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,840
all the time.
Even even if I'm alone at home,

506
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,160
I'm there's a societal role
still existing for me.

507
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Oh my word, absolutely.
You're the fact that you're

508
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080
choosing to wear clothes, the
fact that like what you're

509
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,000
doing, your heat's probably on.
You're, you know, you, whether

510
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640
you've got a book in your hands,
you've just pulled through a six

511
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,960
continent or seven continent
supply chain, you know, you can

512
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800
never not be in your societal
role because you exist.

513
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,960
When we were indigenous humans
living in caves, we were still

514
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
in these three roles.
They have always been there and

515
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,800
so is everything that tree that
I'm staring at right now, that

516
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,240
tree, think about it.
It's in it's an individualized

517
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,880
tree.
It's in the ground.

518
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600
So it, there's a situation going
on.

519
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,080
It's blowing in the breeze, it's
absorbing sun, it's giving off

520
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120
oxygen.
So, so it is very much in a

521
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,800
situational role right now, but
it's also in a societal role.

522
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Its roots are interlinked with
with, I mean, I think the latest

523
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,760
research is all the trees on the
planet and it's giving off

524
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,840
messages.
Oh, I've been infested by this

525
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,040
kind of bug to the trees around
it so that they create a certain

526
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,160
toxin for the bug so that so
that all the trees around, don't

527
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,720
we?
So everything is in those three

528
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,120
roles.
And thank you for bringing that

529
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,200
up.
This is fascinating and really

530
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,880
deep.
So is, is, is, is your working

531
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240
book target?
Are you targeting businesses,

532
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,160
management, you know, regular
people at home?

533
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,960
Like what?
What?

534
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Why did you?
Why did you do this?

535
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,920
You know, it's interesting
because literally the chief

536
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,960
speech writer for George Bush
was one of the editors of my

537
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,040
book, and she very much wanted
me to Orient the book at the

538
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680
level of society as the main
thing.

539
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800
I find that you got to meet
people where they are.

540
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Yeah, who?
Who's the target?

541
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Like who?
Who's this intended?

542
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
To help, I Orient the book at
the end of the level of the

543
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,240
individual, but I very much talk
about the person as a parent, as

544
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,600
a manager, as an executive, as
as a leader of society, as a

545
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120
creator.
Are there concrete practices

546
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:11,800
beyond just the three tips you
shared earlier?

547
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,560
Are there concrete practices
that help people?

548
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,000
Oh my, my goodness, yes.
The book is filled with them.

549
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,840
It's filled with real world
examples.

550
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,600
It is filled with real world
quotes.

551
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,920
It is filled with, you know,
details of the 20 years of

552
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,320
research.
So it is, it is very scientific.

553
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,840
The book is very much quoting
research that I've done and that

554
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,639
other people have done.
So it's, it's hard hitting, it's

555
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,960
heavy hitting.
And I've got a whole chapter of

556
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,679
recommendations people can pick
and choose.

557
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,360
Meditation is absolutely the top
of the list.

558
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Anything that leads us to
reflect, to pause journaling,

559
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,480
absolutely huge.
If you can see a a therapist or

560
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,480
have some kind of therapeutic
relationship where you can be

561
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,520
vulnerable, absolutely huge.
By the way, authenticity is also

562
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,400
a core of showing up because
when you accept that you're

563
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,080
moving up and down the continuum
at all times, guess what?

564
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,120
You're vulnerable.
You can be authentic, it just

565
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:09,560
happens.
Why?

566
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Because it's our nature.
It's not our nature to have to

567
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,840
prove ourselves every moment,
which is what society teaches

568
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,560
us.
And that's what leads to the

569
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,920
four issues of feeling lesser
than feeling better than feeling

570
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,080
I need to be seen as or feeling
I deserve.

571
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,000
Those four things, they just
dissipate.

572
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640
They fly away.
Once you understand the truth

573
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,640
about showing up because you
recognize you're connected to

574
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,760
everything, you're impacting the
world.

575
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Your intuition really is truth.
And just life becomes more of

576
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560
what you want, who you want, and
how you want.

577
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,840
Awesome.
So in all of your research in

578
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,560
the book, in showing up or
beyond it, is there anything

579
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,680
that you wish more men knew?
I love that question more.

580
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,800
Men.
So showing up transcends gender,

581
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,320
it transcends ethnicity, it
transcends religion, it

582
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080
transcends ability level.
All these things that we often

583
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,760
use to divide us, showing up
functions at the level of

584
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,800
humanity.
So what I would tell men is

585
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,640
think about yourself as a human
being first.

586
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,880
That is what's most important.
Don't listen to the programming

587
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,680
that's out there about who and
what you're supposed to be

588
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,160
because of your genitalia.
That is not what matters.

589
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Learn the truth about showing
up, about how we're supposed to

590
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,200
function, and I think you will
be much freer to be who you're

591
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,640
truly meant to be.
Excellent.

592
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,920
So Marcy, what's what's the best
way for people to find out

593
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,600
everything you're up to and
learn more about the book?

594
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Where?
Where should they go?

595
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Yeah.
So the books on Amazon just put

596
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,800
in Marcy Axelrod or put in how
we choose to show up my website

597
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,480
choose to showup.com.
Thanks for more than just being

598
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,000
here with him, but thanks for
all the research.

599
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Thanks.
Thanks for caring six years old

600
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,560
to to get and to not just help
yourself but to help everyone

601
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,840
around you and embracing your
societal role.

602
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,360
Oh goodness.
You know, it's a calling and I

603
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,520
want people to hear this, Andy.
Most people don't know a

604
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640
specific purpose of why they're
here.

605
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,520
In fact, it's like the the P
word, right?

606
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Research at at Stanford show
that 80% of Stanford students,

607
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,600
they get, they kind of go like
when you ask them what's your,

608
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,440
your purpose and like, what are
you going to do when you're done

609
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,000
here?
Anyway, the point is, for me,

610
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,480
this is a calling, right?
It's not work, it's not a job,

611
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,360
it's not a career.
It's a calling.

612
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,560
I'm truly meant to do this.
And it was the gift of the

613
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,320
stuttering.
I think a lot of us have pain.

614
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,040
And you got to ask yourself,
what's it teaching me?

615
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,720
What's, what's the path right
through the pain?

616
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,440
So I was called to give to Ted
talks and be on a global stage

617
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,760
because I couldn't speak before,
right?

618
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,800
And I want that message to be
out there.

619
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,080
There's a reason for for this.
And it's forcing us to develop a

620
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,840
skill.
And what's the skill?

621
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,960
And that's what we're supposed
to be doing, right?

622
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,520
You are doing that, Andy, with
your life and with your joy.

623
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,760
Where did your joy come from?
Right?

624
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,720
You earned your joy through what
came before it.

625
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,240
That's a good point.
And I want to go journaling.

626
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,600
Where's my joy coming from?
Where did you?

627
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,760
Where did you start?
I feel it.

628
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,640
You're.
Yeah.

629
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,600
But I, I didn't, I I have
because I didn't, I definitely

630
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,400
didn't always have it.
That's that's why I like.

631
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,600
Yeah, well, it was covered with
some other things.

632
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,840
Let me ask you.
So how does showing up compare?

633
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,600
You've had a lot of guests.
These guests are important

634
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,880
people who are doing meaningful
things, right?

635
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,640
I mean, everyone's important.
I've got to be be careful with

636
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,440
that word.
But you've, you've chosen them

637
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,080
because they've, they've
contributed in ways that you

638
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,280
wanted to amplify how does
showing up and, and how I think

639
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,000
compared to what other people
are talking about.

640
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,280
Oh boy, that's some tough
analysis because I, I sometimes,

641
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,120
I don't have many, but I
sometimes have guessed that I

642
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360
don't agree with.
I, I have guessed to, to open my

643
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,880
horizons and viewpoints.
And so it doesn't mean

644
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:48,120
everything.
Yeah, I agree with or everything

645
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,160
that's ever been shared in a
show.

646
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,880
But it's a very holistic, it's,
it's very putting together lots

647
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,240
of pieces.
Like so many.

648
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,760
I feel like I'm on a string of
like maybe six or seven shows

649
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,120
where the importance of knowing
yourself shows up, the joy and

650
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,400
service keep showing up.
So, yeah, it's this, this.

651
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,120
And again, 'cause it, it's
nature.

652
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,320
So it makes sense that
everything that we're talking

653
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440
about is in this is in this
model because it's how we're

654
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,440
meant to be.
Yes.

655
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:22,120
Oh, I love that there's a system
and most people live in parks.

656
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,720
The left hemisphere sees about
3% of the whole picture that's

657
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,400
out there.
So showing up naturally, you

658
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,040
know, it gives you the rest of
it.

659
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,520
And often suffering is because
we're down a little full.

660
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,920
We've we've carved off the rest.
And what's showing up does is it

661
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160
puts it back together for us.
Again, thanks so much for

662
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,240
showing up today.
Thank you, Andy.

663
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,600
I appreciate you.
Thanks for joining us,

664
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,320
everybody.
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665
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,920
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666
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,880
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667
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
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668
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669
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,840
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670
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,680
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671
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,080
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672
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673
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