What I Learned About Men While Working as an Escort with Deva Logan

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1:26 Let me first also welcome my fabulous friend and co-host Appio Hunter. Hey Andy, how's it going very good? How are you doing this week? I'm having a fantastic week and it's just going to keep getting better. That's right, it is. And imagine that we're recording on a Monday. So just think what the week's going to be like. Yeah, it's like we have an extra day in our week. Because we've adjusted our schedule and we don't adjust our schedule just for anybody either tonight, tonight's guest is returning for her second appearance. Her first appearance was really just last month. It was episode 44. She joined us to talk about open relationships, and I know I learned a lot over the course of that discussion, including that DEVO once worked as an escort and that really opened up tonight's topic, but so please give it up for the Vixen goddess herself.

2:12 Diva Logan. Hi boos. So happy to have you back and I'm so happy to be back. I brought wine this time it's gonna be one of those shows. The Diva is a relationship, sex and life enthusiast whose life's mission is to help people to transform their lives. Using sex and love. Here, here. I feel like sex needs to be the topic of everybody's like #1 priority have sex regularly. Great so it's we thought this would be a nice alternative subject matter for a Valentine's show. Instead of going all gooey and love and chocolate and flowers you know let's bring it.

2:54 What can you learn from an escort? What sort of romance tips and intimacy tips? Perhaps you'll you'll unleash on us tonight as well? Oh, I'm going to every woman or man would love the hartner like they are the side chick or the side me. Everyone. Awesome, so let's let's back it up a little bit and once you share with this how how you became an escort, how you got into that line of work. I imagine it wasn't like a high school guidance counsellor said you'd make a great escort. Well, no, it wasn't a high school guidance counsellor or somebody else. But um. Well, I always loved the movie.

3:37 Pretty Woman cliche. But no, that's not really why I got into it. It's a very embarrassing kind of story. How I got into working as an escort. I had an abortion. I took some money from my mother and I wanted to make it back really, really fast and. That's how I got in the escorting and then I. Paid her back. I think I remember little time ago. I don't remember, so then I picked up and moved to Chicago to chase the dream. And Dream didn't work out well, so I. Picked up sponsor so I've had this kind of like the sugar daddy.

4:31 Sugar Daddy perspective and from the like taking calls through someone else. Experience as well. And and how, how, how long was your your escort time? Ohhh the first time I did it a couple months. The second time it was also a couple months. But in that time. I got to meet a whole lot of different people. Um? And I was I'm the type of person I'm kind of like a workaholic, so there would be times when I would just be like. 234 days at a time. Like anytime.

5:13 Just call me. And so I got to go on a lot of calls. That way the first time, the second time when I was in Chicago, it was more of a one-on-one type. We got to sit down and really get to know each other. And I think for them, they never necessarily. The second time, the men that I'm dealing with had never necessarily met a woman who lied to me. A huge nerd and really bad and everything. I mean, it was that the first time too was a little bit different. When you're one on with somebody as opposed to spending half an hour 40 minutes with them. I'm curious about something out there. What particular myths I'm just going to jump right into it and say, ask you what particular myths about escorts do you want to dispel, if any?

6:07 That escorts are stupid like we're not. Escorts are essentially entrepreneurs. They're just happening happening to use the very thing that most women give away for free. They're making money from it, so that's the only difference. Escorts are getting paid. Not all of us walk the track. And I say us because. Once you're a part of the sex working business, it's not quite like you know. It's not like you get out of it at some point in time. You just. Once you, it's almost like in a bike like we learn how to ride a bike. You never get how to ride a, so there are times when I actually go out now that I walk into a bar and I'll be in the entire room, be like.

6:55 Ham, Ham, ham, ham, ham, ham, her. And I have to be like, OK, we're not here for that. That's not not what we're here, but. Escorts very brief people, especially ones that go on individual calls because you're walking into a space that you don't know with a stranger every single time and you are having sex with that person in some way, shape or form dangerous but extremely brave extremely. A good escort is a awesome business person because she's marketing herself consistently.

7:38 She is a great salesperson because she literally felt herself or she's lying. She's also a great interest because then she's still selling act as well. Um? Efforts are attacted not bad that they had sex because oh, they're just about something. They're all like many, these women are do this because. Having a 9 to 5, they're making twice as much money as they would if they went to a nine to five job. They get to be at home with their kids if they've had. If they've had children. And they they are interacting with people on a regular, everyday basis.

8:22 They're literally service workers, so they're providing a service and they're getting paid, sometimes not so well, but they're going to pay you very well for this service. And if they're budgeting right and managing their money right, they can. It's it's very, very lucrative. There is a dark side to the industry. I'm not gonna deny that. I personally feel like escorting prostitution should be legalised. So it can be regulated and we can stop. Child tracking prostitution there can? I mean I'm not saying there won't be blark it's, but that'll help cut down on the black market and in a sense.

9:09 And then there can be relations as far as TV thing and all this stuff. You guys know that I'm very open about the fact that I have these and the that I've been in these situations. I do want to say that when I was working as an escort, I was the first time I had not been diagnosed with herpes. I had not. I did not know if I had it. So it's very possible that I picked up herpes from doing that, but also. The second time around I was taking suppression medication on a regular basis, so it wasn't like I was just out there like. Fucking people and putting them at risk. So right? Yeah, so so you. I think earlier before we start you said you there were like 5 main things you learned about men during this.

9:53 Yes, definitely. Just one second hold on. I've had a baby moment. No, no baby. I don't want to tortilla can't go back. And watching a movie being a mom never stops. That's so true you know it off. And know what being apparent never stops either because we have moments as well. How about this? Dead. Do you want to say hi? OK. Go sit down and finish watching your Dory movie. I licked it off. You're good. There's no beans on your tortilla. Alright, so no guest appearance also sound like no guest appearances. No, she thought about it though and she said yeah thanks. She's very polite when she wants to be. As we all are, yes I like that caveat there. But yes, there are five specific things that I learned when I worked as an escort.

10:57 And and. These five things I feel like we're the things that we can understand and realise specifically about in. And another that they can lies as to. I'm not making your justification for Chief. Let me give that disclaimer right now. There is no just hide reason for somebody to lie and cheat and their situation, however. These five things. Our space is to understand the why behind it. So I have 5 topics.

11:38 Um, I'm going to jump into them now. If you guys don't mind so. The number one thing that I learned, well, let's start at 5 #5. Men are emotionally. Could you repeat that? Men are emotional beings, emotional beings. If not more emotional than men are. Um, because of society in in manhood when a man hires an escort, he's with a total and complete stranger. He doesn't know her unless they have developed a certain, and that's kind of when the show Daddy kicks in Sugar Daddy aspect kicks in, but when they're first meeting.

12:25 He doesn't know who she are. She's the complete and total stranger. And. There are no pretences, because you're literally about to hand somebody cash for a very intimate experience. Not super intimate, but intimate nonetheless, so. They get to relax, they don't. There's no, I don't have to be anybody. I don't have to be the doctor. I don't have to be the lawyer. I don't have to be the professional. I don't have to be the dad. I don't have to be the husband. I can drop all that and essentially be exactly who I am. Because I'm probably never going to see this woman again, ever in life.

13:07 And if I do. I get to share this intimate space with her. So there's also one if if a person decides that they want to continue this situation with an escort and and have have these these encounters with her, there's there's an intimacy that is bred from that space. But men emotional beings, they will show you. Every single emotion from being stressed out being tired. To being hurt to being embarrassed. To. Being happy to celebrating.

13:52 So. When men choose to engage with escorts or even choose to cheat, it's because that they get a lot. They are allowed to be emotional. Yeah, yeah, so there's a freedom in that. Yes, anonymity yes. Freedom in in in being able to engage with the stranger and just drop all those pretences and just be. Whoever they are. So you know, yeah, it speaks to the to the whole experience of not having any expectations, and I think we actually talked about this. I can't remember if it's during the last show or during the pre show post show how there is, you know when when talking about our pasts, particularly when it's with family.

14:39 Family oftentimes doesn't want to let go, whereas with a total stranger, it's so easy because there is no past. Starting from that moment, this is who I am. I don't have to be anybody else. And and when you are paying someone for a service like. The stories that I heard when I would work as an escort that they would share with me. I remember my very, very very first client. Um, and that's going to bring me to another point, but I'm gonna share this right now. My very, very, very first experience of working as an escort was an older gentleman. He was probably in his late 60s, early 70s and his wife had died.

15:24 And he did not want to have sex with me. He just wanted to rub his Dick. In between the crack of my ass that was it just a little bit Lube rub his Dick in between the crack of my ass and that was it. That was it, but for him it was like yeah my wife has died and I. I just from time to time one I share this space. With the woman I don't need it on regular basis, but from time to time I and to hear like he's an emotional being like. I got to see Humaness working as an escort. Hmm, your humanity. So yeah, that's #5.

16:07 Men are emotional game. Love that. OK, any other questions? I don't want to jump in. I want Andy to Andy. Good, be ready to go. I'm good. Yeah bring on #4. OK so #4 men will settle. Men will settle for the woman that looks good on paper, so the reason I picked this one is because. Here's a guy in Chicago and. I met him randomly. He was not someone that I was planning on engaging with, but. I was out with my home girl. Ohfa story sorry I was out with my home girl and we went to a bar. And him and his friend happened to be sitting there. And.

16:57 They asked us if we wanted to buy around a shot so we were getting up to leave and they were like where are you going? We were like where we're headed to another place and he was like Oh well, let's buy you around like don't leave. And. We end up getting drunk and that night going to his place and we talked about how he had the best to have a threesome. He actually did pay us, he didn't end up having a threesome. But come to find out, like he didn't tell us that he was in a reactive. Come to find out, like while I'm engaging with him, my friend is crawling around on the floor like going through the apartment.

17:39 Ohhhhh, OK, sorry I'm just reliving this in my brain. It was so funny like this after that if it helps. When we walked out and she was like bitch, I was crawling around on the floor. I was in the closet. That bitch has some Jimmy Choos that was so fucking gorgeous. I was like ohe, my God, what the fuck is this happened? But he's with this woman and I asked him later. Like we exchanged numbers and we would go out to eat, meet up, sometimes, hang out. And. I asked him. I said you have a girlfriend like what are you doing. He was like she's great and we fit perfectly together on paper. But I could tell that he just wasn't happy. It was like that butt and then just kind of let awkward drop off.

18:27 He settled, he settled for what looked right on paper, but he was never actually happy. I know so many men who have settled because it looked good on paper, only to wake up one morning and be like, yeah, I don't. I don't really want to be with you. And many times, once they have um, once they have settled. They have kids. When they're trapped, they feel trapped or like. I have an ex he's. I hope he watches this because I like talking about him. I have an ex who is green. And he wanted to be with me and I was like, well, I can't be with you if your wife doesn't fully 100% know that I'm in the situation.

19:18 So. He's like, but like I really don't want to be with her. However, I've built this 6-7 figure business and if I divorce her I'm going to have to start all over. I was like so is it worth the Super horrible sex and the unhappy relationship and the faking it all the time? And you being miserable? Or is it worth your 7 figure business? And clearly he's still married to his wife? And I have the partner that I'm supposed to be with? So as soon Julie's men will settle for what looks good on paper and once they get into that situation, most likely they won't leave, they'll just end up.

20:01 If they're, if they're not men of integrity, they will end up cheating. You know what's interesting because during this conversation that brought up a very awesome side conversation to chat about how our society teaches us to settle women and men. Both are almost tossed cell and they settled because you have to be in a relationship with this or that. But the problem I would say probably seem to be even worse with men than with women, because men still have this image that they have to project this persona that they have to maintain. And depending on which part of the culture they were raised in, it can be far worse. You know they have to settle.

20:45 They must to please everybody else except themselves and and to your point, it results in you making lots of money. It works out really well for escorts and for for girls I mean look at what happened with Ashley Madison and Sugar daddies.com and seeking arrangements like there's a reason why these businesses why brothels are so profitable. There's a whole reason. Essentially it's because of exactly what you said. Society says that men have to be a certain way instead of them just being who they are and finding a woman who is willing to.

21:26 Accept them for exactly who they are. So if men were open and honest about being emotional beings I I would think they wouldn't settle then if they honoured their true feelings and happiness to go and connect you with someone instead of. Well, this is who I should be with. That that that would eliminate .4 if men decided and accepted that their masculinity was established at birth and they could be whoever the fuck they wanted to be. Life would be much easier. There's another book title for you. Boo, yeah. Your masculinity was established at birth. Yes, you were born with a Dick.

22:09 You're congratulations. Go be just be whoever going to be. So my the thing that I learned is that memory shame. So. I remember it was only my second or third experience of like taking balls I met up with this guy and. He did not ejaculate normally. So he had a condition where. When he ejaculated. It didn't come out. It reverted back into his body. And.

22:54 After we got done, which I thought was super awesome because there's no clean up. Yay, I'm not covered in sperm. Woohoo, I'm a Virgo. I have slight OCD. I hate that shit. So I said that almost every day. Yeah, I'm not covered in sperm, so yes. Like I was like yo, this man just needs to find a woman who has some type of OCD and hates the fucking oh I'm sticking out. I have to go get the warm towel and wipe myself up ilk and get this shit off me. OK the moments over so he was like. I have yet to meet a woman like I'm embarrassed to be with a woman because I have this condition and he carried so much shame behind that not realising that the fact that he didn't ejaculate like a normal man would make. Damn near any woman excited because she did. There was no clean up afterwards like sure baby, if you want to come on my face you surely can.

23:56 You can smack it on my face. All you want to do yet I don't have to get into my hair. I have to get it towed. You know essentially wet outside of me like. Instead of his seeing that in that perspective, instead of seeing the positives of the fact that he had this condition, that he doesn't seem in. He carried so much shame behind that he was so embarrassed that he was not like a regular man. That he could not be in a relationship. So instead he hired escorts you go around from town to town and hire an escort. It wouldn't be on a regular basis, it would just be when he got the urge.

24:37 And. His shame kept him from being great. His shame kept him from love. His shame kept him from deep intimacy with another human being. His shame kept him trapped in this box. He could actually be with another. He could actually be with another person. Ohhhhh, wow, you know that is that that that theme of shame. It seems to be like a universal human condition. Men and women both. Obviously this show is devoted to talking about how men experience that, but oh man, that we could have a whole other show on that alone. And you're saying that that that every man that that came to see you were generally sees escorts?

25:28 They're carrying some level of shame? It's not this this one instance. Yes, there was a gentleman and he wasn't even. I met him within the last couple years so I don't do this anymore. I don't. I have thought about it, but I don't do this anymore. Just saying. Good money. He was a man who experienced erectile dysfunction. And he felt shame behind that. So he was like, you know, ever since. My my wife and I, my wife died and I've tried to date a few other women, but now that I have this EV issue and I don't really know if I can connect with another woman and if I can get hard, I come really quickly. You know all these areas around shame and it's like bro, you are super intelligent and I met him because he was my Uber driver so I was drunk as shit one night and when I'm drunk. I talked to anybody.

26:31 Is that what you're drinking tonight? Talking to us? Is that the real reason I am? Yes, it makes it easier to talk about things, but also denied Valentine's and I just feel like you know, why not talk about cunnilingus, fellatio, and working as an escort like. Sometimes you need a little bit of alcohol, but happier is actually is joined. US thought that he came in and he will tell you like. I literally will talk to anybody I'm drunk like I. There is no person that I don't know when I am highly intoxicated. Everybody's my best friend. I love them. Come back with me let's be buddies oh I love you and I was like lose time so. In this space, like I I'm I'm we get into this conversation like me and my Uber driver drunk off my ass. Just about people and the time and space continuum. Like I, I promise you, my conversations will run in a totally different direction, but. In that space like he was like, oh, you're so cool and I told him, you know, I wanted to start this consulting firm blah blah blah blah blah and then he would just hit me up from time to time.

27:41 Like hey, I'll come pick you up, you know? Yes, I'll come pick you up and we'll talk and you know you just say like. I'm embarrassed like do I? Do I go to a massage parlour because I'm scared to connect with a woman like because I have E and I may not be able to get hard? And if I do hard, I can't really and you know, like just this carrying of shame for him. And I just wanted him to know like just because you have this experience. Just because you were in this space. Doesn't mean that you're any less of a man that you're any less.

28:29 Sexy like sexual intercourse is just the cherry on top of the Sunday. It's not the fucking Sunday. So yeah, men carry Shane a tonne of it. And yes, and I love it cause this again seems to be going back to five right emotional beings. Emotional being. Yeah, if you're not willing to express that chain, you end up in the back of an Uber with an escort you ender. Well, I wasn't an escort, but yes, you can end up in the back of an Uber with an escort. But if you don't deal with the shame and being an emotional being, then you'll end up settling and end up hiring an escort or getting. Or like that?

29:16 You know? Got it so OK number two sex is transactional and sex can heal. What was that about again? I gotta hit that. Sex is transactional. And sex can heal. Yeah. Yes to both. I have experienced both. I I yes. Now is it? Is it usually one or the other or can it be both at the same time? It can be both at the same time. Come on Andy, come on just when that term transactional just feels very dry and just you give me that and I give you this and then we leave. I know, right?

30:02 But let's peel apart transactions, right? Transactions can be a bartering transaction. It can be a gift transaction. It can be a cash for service transaction. It can be a service for service transaction. It can be an exchange of words. People don't realise that exchanging words a conversation is transactional because you're giving words. I'm giving words. It's a transaction so. What people how people see sex is that.

30:43 Oh well, once I have sex with a person, that transaction stops. No, you're actually having a transaction because you're exchanging pleasure for pleasure. Now if you did not get pleasure from that situation. Yo, you're losing out. Did you get a refund? You should get the fuck up you're not fuck you no I'm not fucking anymore which I have to interject here really quick because it just reminded me of a joke which is right along these lines, which is what is a four letter word ending in K that means the same as intercourse. Talk. Yes, I like that. Love that so it's transactional and it's a form of intercourse. Yes yes yes so.

31:31 That transaction can be. Sex for money. Hmm. So it's all energy. If especially for my woo woo people who will see this. Yes sex in it's all energy. It's all the same thing. It's all energy. So if sex is creation, sexual energy is also creative energy and creative energy also aligns with money energy. Why can't sex energy and money energy be the same damn thing? Yeah. That just, I think that leaves us all speechless right now because we have to. It just absorb that one. So yeah, sex is transactional. It's 100%.

32:12 It's actual transactional. Either you're you're exchanging pleasure, you're exchanging pleasure for cash, you're exchanging pleasure for. A relationship you can exchange pleasure for stability, but let's think about marriage, shall we? Most people where in some type of marriage a woman knows that if she sucks her husband's Dick or fucks him on his birthday, or when she wants something she is going to get the money to get it. So what the fuck makes her different between. An escort, a prostitute. Or anybody else or a porner.

32:56 There's no diff. The only difference is when he dies, she will acquire his property home that she makes it all the way to knitting divorce. In other words, Sugar Daddy, but with the paperwork that said that changes it to hell. Yeah, a committed shit happened to get tax break. Thanks Michael and a tax break exactly, so sex is always transactional and sometimes it has a tax break aside to it. Sometimes it doesn't. Yes just one second give me just a minute and I will make you another burrito. OK, alright, no, don't stand there. Go sit down and watch a movie. Thank you.

33:36 OK, mommy. What transactions, exactly? There's an exchange there, right? Yes, I'll make the burrito, but that's to go down. The fact that. Exactly the sex can heal, so there there were many times where. Men would come in. And we would exchange a conversation, or I'd go meet a guy. The very last quote unquote Sugar Daddy that I had. Um? He was. He was hurt in a whole lot of places and we would talk about that hurt. And for people who are woo woo and who really understand what sex is like truly, truly understand what sex is. Sex.

34:32 Is a sad. It's a healing conduit. And women being the extraordinary beings that we are not saying a man can't do this for a woman. But women, being the extraordinary beings that we are and essentially receiving. Not that you can't do this and not be a woman. But the ability to receive things. There are things that women don't understand that they can do. With their vagina. So with essentially you can be having sex with a man and heal him by sucking out and receiving all his pain. All his hurt, all his frustration. And taking that, holding it in your vagina. And if you're still having a menstrual cycle, releasing that during your middle.

35:35 And I know that possibly blow some of mine and I know I possibly might have to explain that a little bit deeper. I know, I know that not everybody believes that. But I've seen it for myself. I've done it. That you can literally heal a man from his heart because we all come out of a vagina. So if the vagina gave you life. Why wouldn't the vagina be able to heal you or kill you at any given time? You know, John put in here in the comments. That happens energetically too, even when goods are not exchange.

36:20 Yeah. Our energy fields meet before our physical fields do so. Sure, yeah. Which is why anybody, essentially anybody can. Do this like anybody can heal another person using sex, even using their energy. And and of course, the Grammys were last night, and everybody's talking about Beyoncé and and her oshun references and all that. But in that space of honouring the woman and honouring the life Bureau with her being pregnant right now, like. There is so much. Healing that a woman can do.

37:02 With her energy with. With her heart and you know that you guys know I talk about the three pussies so with her brain her heart and with her vagina, she essentially can transform the world. So she's giving birth. A woman gives birth. We all come through the vagina to be born. Some of us see section, but it's the same thing of a uterus and a vagina held all of us in cocoon and and preserved our life to get here. So that means that that very thing that preserved our life. Cannot only heal us. But it can also kill us at the same time, which is why women have to be so careful.

37:45 And that's a whole other topic. But yeah. So yes, and by the way, I love it when gay men fall in love with me, I just. Thank you, I do and every time I talk to you I just fall in love with you all over again. I totally do. You know, my partner tells me that too. So apparently I have a gift. You do, you totally do. And so diva are all three pussies healing and receptive. Yes, all three pussies are healing and receptive. So a woman can heal to heal a man with her brain and her thoughts and just her conversation. Because, of course, I thought, you know, all our words. All our actions start in our brain. She can heal them in and and or a woman. Women too.

38:35 This is not a. This is just a human being thing. She can heal a person with her thoughts. She can heal a person just by loving them unconditionally. No questions asked. This is who you are and I'm going to unconditionally give you my love. That doesn't mean that I'm going to allow you into my space all the time, but I'm going to give you love. I'm going to support you and I'm going to be empathetic. Even with my boundary and then. I can heal you through pleasure. I can hear you through the replay that we're born. Cool. And and that really the the three pussy vibe really can explain how you can be feel so intimate and loved and healed with someone and not necessarily be having intercourse too.

39:20 Yeah, and that's why you can be so loved and healed and give somebody payment for it. We pay coaches. Coaches use their brains and their heart. So what's wrong with using our genitalia for the same thing? Nothing wrong with it. Go sit down, ma'am. Hi baby, go sit down now there's something wrong. OK, be back in a minute, no trying trying this is the most interesting space of life because you go from talking about Dick and pussy still OK baby go sit down and watch story you know like it's it's the most interesting thing ever ever ever OK and this leads me to the number one thing I learned by working as an escort. Men get lonely and need love too. Amanda, that.

40:18 And and and is that a surprise to some men? Yes, well. Especially when they run into somebody who is just chill like she's not like OK, just come on and get it over with which there are some women like that. Well, when a woman gives a man the whole experience, they don't realise how. Even if it's an hour, they jump up and they have like they feel good and they slept well the night before. And it's like, yeah, well, this woman just came in and gave her all your pussy gave you all her pussy. And then you know, like. Men don't admit when they get lonely.

40:59 Men want to admit that they need someone to be a soft landing space. For them that will just hold them and love them like Mama used to do or like. Mama didn't do that they've never experienced ever in life. Hmm. Oh yeah, those are the five things that I learned working as an escort. Excellent, thank you very much for sharing them, you're welcome. Yeah, I mean some I might have guessed at some. I certainly wouldn't have so. Thank you for your research. You're welcome. I do have more tips for you guys, so I figured Valentine's Day coming up. Why not?

41:43 The Vixen goddess who had worked as an escort who enjoys women and enjoys men. And has learned wonderful tip. From her partner on how to Eat pussy and put them to success herself. So this is a master's class. Yes, this is this is this is my extra stuff and I'm gonna run through these really really quickly. So I'm gonna kind of combine them together. But I'm also gonna run through these really bad, so OK. 1st, If you're going to give really great oral sex. Really, really great oral sex. You have to be in love with the Dick or the pussy like you just have to love it. If you can't love it, you cannot give really great oral sex like you have to. Damn near worship the very essence of the fact that you get to partake in this beautiful, amazing. Experience.

42:40 Of oral sex. So it's not something you can fake. You can't just go at this well heartedly. You gotta love the Dick and you gotta love pussy like you gotta love it. You gotta worship it. Talk to it. Say wonderful things. If you don't go sit down. Thank you. Talk to it and say wonderful. What's it down? Yeah, I would listen. They could not have been better. Insert right there. Welcome to my life. You guys to see the very inside. Devil Logan behind the Vixen goddess.

43:20 I really am you really believe random shit? OK, so. Dick and pussy worship needs to happen. Welcome to my life. I talked about sex and at the same time I saved choking children. By the way, we have another T shirt idea for you. Look in the chat. Oh gosh, what's the T shirt idea? I don't think the pussy worship needs to happen. Oh gosh, did Don come up with that? Because that sounds like something Don would say. Early dawn yeah Dick and Percy, Dick, Dick and Pussy worshipper. That could be a whole on everything so I have to give credit where credit is due. I don't know if my partner still on here but he's the one who talks about how he loves to have his Dick worship and and I worship his Dick.

44:11 So this is where relationships. It all plays a part into what I do. So yeah, OK I thank him for his research. Yes, absolutely for contributing to yes contributes to the Diva Logan experience alright? OK, so for my ladies who want to Deep Throat, this is my tip for my ladies who want to Deep Throat. You have to stick your tongue out and breathe through your nose. I could have told you that too. I was hoping you would help me out. Totally happy on that one. I was hoping you would help me out on these Dick. The fellatio tips. I appreciate your life no problem and we thank you for your research as well appio. Oh, just Valentine's Day everyone indeed so. And I realised women don't necessarily understand, so I'm going to give you an example.

45:09 So you. Stick it all the way out. You want to try and touch it in with your tongue and breathe through your nose, OK? So. Here's a little tip to help you get over that gag reflex. You can practise this before you decide to put it into practise. I don't suggest you try and do this tomorrow if you are watching this tomorrow. I know like unless you have not practised the gag reflex, you don't want to throw up, which I have a very special story which I will share with you guys after we get off this call about yes so. If you take your toothbrush when you're brushing your tongue and stick your tongue all the way out and breathe through your nose and brush the back of your tongue, it will help you with your gag reflex. I've done it.

45:53 Anything that I tell you today, I have personally done myself so I am giving you personal. Including in Pussy Ladies. OK I like pussy from time to time right? That's something there really quick as well as you're using you make sure that you are also using your tongue. I'm doing the solatio make sure that you are also using the tongue fully and completely. OK, I was gonna. I forgot that I've had a little bit of wine and I get really friendly, OK? Hey, no holds barred on the on this podcast, but Eva Logan uncut.

46:36 Alright, so, Speaking of uncut, uncut perfect subway perfect Segway. Sensation for uncircumcised versus circumcised men. Is there another way? Which way what do you mean? Don? Is there another way for wet before I jump into? Uncut. I know I'm never uncut, you know I am. I've been trying to act like I have what you should live naked isn't your thing. It is now, if you know what if society was would allow me to. I would walk around naked all the time. OK, just can you give me a minute.

47:18 I'm almost done. Just go watch whatever is coming on next after Finding Dory. How about that? OK. See my Life OK so um, no there is there I try. I try to tone things down for certain people because I know me being one 100% fully myself. Can like punch people in the face and and make them very uncomfortable. So I tried to take that into account and still trying to you know tone it down. Maybe just a little bit like if I was standing in front of my mother. Only my mother, you know, even if I'm standing next, Michelle and Barack, I would probably still be exact person. Yeah, I know, fucking good and having the best sex of your life right now.

48:09 They're out of the world. So there are differences in tip #5. If your man is circumstance versus circumcised, he has different sensations and there are different tips that you need to use different techniques. You need to use versus an uncut man versus a cut man. So an uncut man you actually have to do less work than you would have to do for a circumcised man because an uncircumcised man still has all the nerve endings they have not been removed with his foreskin so. Ladies, a quick tip. If you're a man or a gentleman, if your man is uncircumcised, keep the skin pulled forward even if he's hard and just stick your tip in and lick the tip of his Dick. It works every single time it will cut your fellatio time in half and get you faster to the point of cunnilingus, or mutual fellatio or sex.

49:04 If you do that, just one thing. Just lick the inside with the sensation in there. It's extra great. If he's circumcised. There is a little point underneath the little mushroom like to call it the mushroom underneath mushroom, where the skin initially attached to the. I want it that's not terranium. It's called the. Fair enum, it starts with FI. Can't remember the exact name. Anyway I remember it either. That little space is like that's where all the nerve endings are right there. If you lick that space consistently, if you apply consistent pressure to that space, he will come faster.

49:44 However, if you want to stop his orgasm when he starts and then slow it, thank you. Thank you Boo. If you stop, if you push on that space. Um, when he's about to orgasm, it will slow his orgasm down and you can take back control and take him to another level. So that's my little sensation. Anything else you'll have to pay me for it to get the rest of my tips and so my last tip for fellatio is make sure that it's wet and sloppy so I know that we as ladies don't necessarily or gentlemen don't necessarily want to take like from pornography videos. It kind of, you know, not everybody's down, but they, but essentially. You want to make Felicio as wet as possible. Especially if he is a heterosexual male, because your vagina is wet, so you need to make your mouth just as wet as your vagina and so essentially what happens is and I know this happens with.

50:47 Non heterosexual couples as well. When you're being fellatio a love spit can build up mouth. I don't know if that happened you eat pussy. It hasn't answered me but I don't know if that happened. So you essentially almost like this wide in the back of your House of just like it. Just the ladies. Just open the side of your mouth just a little bit and just let it roll on out. It's gonna feel gross as fuck. You gonna feel a little bit slow when it happens, you just gonna be like ohhhhh, my God, I just wanna like my face there's out, grows you'll end up with spit on your nose and shit and on your chin may end up with it on your chest.

51:28 But making that sensation as moist as possible moves the orgasm along so much faster, because really. We've all had a situation. I don't care if you are heterosexual or homosexual, and sexual or otherwise, where it has gotten a little bit too dry. A little bit too quick and that. There's not feel good for him, but. I'm just saying. So those are my tips for fellatio, for cunnilingus. I'm gonna rush right in here. Suck on the clitoris. I know people I know a lot of men just and women don't necessarily want to look at the clitoris as a small penis, but that's exactly what it is.

52:15 And when you suck on it just right it will grow and it will elongate so. Yes, suck on the clitoris. Take your time. Just a second. You know, OK? So can you suck on the glitter? The best review about Finding Dory. That's what winning Dory Sarah and Bug. What's your name? My deodorant asked me about tortillas. Real life real this is I lost my water I'm all hot now like I was just talking about clitorises and then I had to explain to my 3 robe.

53:05 Yes, OK, so take your time and enjoy the vagina. And it's it's eating pussy is is. I would say we just got a comment that I said in the chat. Oh my gosh, I can never watch Dory with the same innocence so. That's what's clitoris, clitoris and peas. Yes, best thing ever. Tacos and eating pussy as a woman pussy who enjoys her pussy and tacos. I say that's the best night ever go with that too. OK, so take your time you didn't. Pussy is a marathon. It's not a Sprint. It is not something that it's not the same like sucking Dick.

53:47 It's not like a good through it quickly. Not saying that you should move through sucking Dick quickly but eating pussy is really truly a marathon. We have like 50 millions in nerve endings in our vagina and we want to fill them all at the same time. So take your time OK. Finding the G spot. It's real gentlemen, ladies. It's so you wanna take either your first two fingers or your two metal fingers you wanna stick your fingers into the vaginal opening. And the G spot feels different than the rest of the vagina. So the rest of the vagina is very smooth and the G spot is ribbed. It feels like a ribbed condom.

54:31 You can tell the difference if you begin to put pressure on that. If you begin to, you just do this movement of the come hit there. It's easier with these two fingers versus these two fingers, but you get better stability with these two fingers versus them. If you just tell her to come here and just, you know, just coax the coax, the orgasm out of her and while sucking on the clitoris, she probably will squirt. OK, give attention to the entire vagina. The outer labia, the inner labia, the clitoris, the the folds and skin, the entire space, the entire space, the vaginal opening down below it, just everything. So everything we have nerve endings, they make us happy yet. Eating good pussy would cook breakfast in the morning. OK, um play close incision to how she's moving. Um?

55:35 If she if you, if you're sucking on her clitoris and she pulls back and she jumps, that jump may be out of pain and it may be out of pleasure so so make sure that you're paying attention to that. Make sure you pay attention to whether her legs are shaking or she's pushing your head away or her body arcs in a painful type way. If you pay attention to all of that at the same time while you're giving. Oral stimulation to a woman. Because we have so many nerve endings. It can be painful. It can be pleasurable. It can be both. So also asking questions if she moans, paying attention to where her hand moves, paying attention to what she's saying. You literally have to be a multitasker. And I know that may be difficult for some people to do, but essentially that's what you.

56:28 So yeah, those are my son cunnilingus, Leggio, and the five things I learned from being an escort. There you go, there you have it beautiful so and I wouldn't invite everyone to use all the tips shared to the end. Don't necessarily take on, you know, carrying your shame and not feeling your emotions. But those aren't tips to live your life by. Exactly. You know I was gonna say that this is any anybody that knows me if this tonight they learned a few more things about me and what parts of the conversation I won't go to.

57:08 So yeah, that's why I smartly muted myself a lot more than normal. You wouldn't even run with this. I have no problem, they fully out there fully off that Dick, so it's been fun for sure. Again, I diva I love your your openness, your honesty. You're willing to live naked, putting it all out there again, we we we appreciate it. I know you've had a lot of people here tonight. Live we have a lot of people listening to this till the end of time. You utilising your tips to better their lives. Yes and and and I'm glad to share because there's why you have a lot of people who are sex positive. You don't have a lot of people who are. Really just being honest about it like this is just what it is. Fuck you if you feel some type of way about it like this is me. This is what I enjoy and this is my life. I'm not being anybody other than who I am. This is an act.

58:10 This is literally what I do and talk about every day. And. Yeah, I'm glad to share. I know that this is my gift and I've embraced it wholeheartedly and I have people in my life who support me and embrace me exactly the way that I. Awesome and so. What's the best way for people to get in touch with you if they want to work with you? Find out your other offerings like that. Well, you can find me on my personal Facebook page. Diva Logan. I don't think my profile picture is of me and it says diva means the divine one. So find me there. You can find me on the vixen goddess Steve Logan, the Vixen goddess, my. Business page on Facebook.

58:54 You can find me on Instagram at Diva, the goddess. You can find me on Twitter at Viva the goddess. And I'm redoing my website my I haven't had a chance to really get in there and jump in there and really rework it, but I will be launching, relaunching my website. And also I'm doing a brand new boot camp starting tomorrow. The Vixen goddess camp. It's going to start on the 27th of this. So ladies if you are ready to. Be that vixen goddess. I'm gonna take you really fast really quickly. It will be something that will be ongoing. So yeah, now you can find me right and will people people interested in the boot camp.

59:39 Is that information on Facebook? Yes, that information will be on Facebook. I will be giving all that information tomorrow, but essentially it's four weeks. We'll be covering seduction, sexuality. Making it your own and then applying it to your life. So whether you're married, whether you are single, whether you're dating, whether you just have a boyfriend. Any woman can take this. I do only have 5 spots available for this first time, but you know it will be an ongoing thing. This is not just something that I'll be doing. One awesome awesome. Well, thanks again for joining us. You know, we've we've had guests return. We've never had a guest return as quickly as we had you return. So I, I think so Andy, yes, you are.

1:00:21 You surely are. Yeah, I think you had a lot of a lot of head spinning and so now we have more ways to spin heads. She's made me keep falling in love with her over and over and over again. So then when a gay man falls in love with you, you just have to be like you know what I'm on to something here. Yes, you are. I'm in love. With you to secretly I'd be trying to hide my love. I haven't shown you exactly how much in love with you I am because I, you know, I respect relationships and shit, but I just want to say the feeling is mutual. And he just got home too. So I had a guy quickly go close the door because like making a bunch of racket there in the in the kitchen.

1:01:04 Well, cool again, I was reconvened everyone to to take these tips to heart, put them into action cheque out the boot camp. Follow the links and if you're listening to this podcast this might be one you wanna watch. So cheque with the video if you've been a little lost. Definitely, especially with the whole kid experiment. So real men feel will be live again next Tuesday, February 21st, 8:00 PM Eastern. We're gonna be joined by a good friend of Apio and mine and she's coming to us from down under and actually kicking off at. We have a series of a few Aussie guests showing up in the next few weeks, but we're going to be joined by Amanda Foy, the emotional strength trainer she promised to be as keen as mustard, so I hope that something good I'm not familiar with that it's nausea term, I'm sure so she's going to share the anatomy of awareness. And again, we talked about many times that kind of any change you want to make.

1:01:57 Starts with awareness. So yes, I like that I will be paying attention. I will be tuning in for that one. Beautiful sound sexy. I bet you make anything you turn into sexy diva, but you know what? I can turn anything into a sexual experience and break it down in a sexual way, yes. We'll have to talk again offline, yes. Alright, and on that note, well, officially say goodbye and bring an end Valentine's Day. Have a great whenever you listen to this week. Yes? Oh lick something. Eat something like whatever.

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Information about the real men feel movement at realmenfeel.org. Come back often and feel free to add the podcast to your favourite RSS feed or subscribe on iTunes by visiting realmenfeel.org/itunes. You can also follow us on Twitter at realmenfeel.org.and@facebook.com/real men feel show all links mentioned in each episode are in the show notes found on the blog at realmannfield.org. This is a weekly programme and your comments, feedback and participation are welcome during the live show and anytime in the Facebook group, on Twitter or at realmannfield.org. Now let's get into this week's show. Hello and welcome to real men field. This is Andy Grant. Welcome to episode 47. Very excited to have you here. In addition to welcome all you fabulous listeners. Let me first also welcome my fabulous friend and cohost Doppio Hunter. Hey Andy, how's it going very good? How are you doing this week? I'm having a fantastic week and it's just going to keep getting better. That's right, it is. And imagine that we're recording on a Monday, so just think what the week's going to be like. Yeah, it's like we have an extra day in our week. As we've adjusted our schedule and we don't adjust our schedule just for anybody either tonight, tonight's guest is returning for her second appearance. Her first appearance was really just last month. It was episode 44. She joined us to talk about open relationships, and I know I learned a lot over the course of that discussion, including that Diva once worked as an escort and that really opened up tonight's topic, but so please give it up for the Vixen goddess herself. Diva Logan. Hi boos. So happy to have you back. I'm so happy to be back. I brought wine this time it's going to be one of those shows. The Diva is a relationship, sex and life enthusiast whose life's mission is to help people to transform their lives. Using sex and love. Here, here. I feel like sex needs to be the topic of everybody's like #1 priority have sex regularly. Great so it's we thought this would be a nice alternative subject matter for a Valentine's show. Instead of going all gooey and love and chocolate and flowers you know let's bring it. What can you learn from an escort? What sort of romance tips and intimacy tips? Perhaps you'll you'll unleash on us tonight as well? Oh, I'm going to every woman or man should love the partner like they are the side chick or the side me. Everyone. Awesome, so let's back it up a little bit and once you share with this how how you became an escort, how you got into that line of work. I imagine it wasn't like a high school guidance counsellor said you'd make a great escort. Well, no, it wasn't a high school guidance counsellor or somebody else. But well, I always loved the movie. Pretty Woman cliche. But no, that's not really why I got into it. It's a very embarrassing kind of story. How I got into working as an escort. I had an abortion. I took some money from my mother and I wanted to make it back really, really fast and. That's how I got in the escorting and then I. Paid her back. I think I remember little time ago. Think I don't remember. So then I picked up and moved to Chicago to chase the dream. And Dream didn't work out well, so I. Picked up sponsor so I've had this kind of like the sugar daddy. Sugar Daddy perspective and from the like taking calls through someone else. Experience as well. And and how, how, how long was your your escort time? Oh, the first time I did it a couple months. The second time it was also a couple months, but in that time. I got to meet a whole lot of different people. Um? And I was I'm the type of person I'm kind of like a workaholic, so there would be times when I would just be like. 234 days at a time. Like anytime. Just call me. And so I got to go on a lot of calls. That way the first time, the second time when I was in Chicago, it was more of a one-on-one type. We got to sit down and really get to know each other. And I think for them, they never necessarily. The second time, the men that I'm dealing with had never necessarily met a woman who's lagging me. A huge nerd and relieved by and everything. I mean, it was that the first time tube was a little bit different. When you're one on with somebody as opposed to spending half an hour 40 minutes with them. So I'm curious about something now. There are what particular myths I'm just going to jump right into it and say, ask you what particular myths about escorts do you want to dispell? If anything that escorts are stupid like we're not? Escorts are essentially entrepreneurs. They're just happening happening to use the very thing that most women give away for free. They're making money from it, so that's the only difference. Escorts are getting paid. Not all of us walk the track. And I say us because. Once you're a part of the sex working business, it's not quite like you know. It's not like you get out of it at some point in time. You just. Once you, it's almost like in a bike like we learn how to ride a bike. You never get how to ride a, so there are times when I actually go out now that I walk into a bar and I'll end the entire room be like. Ham, Ham, ham, ham, ham, ham, her. And I have to be like, OK, we're not here for that. That's not not what we're here, but. Escorts very brief people, especially ones that go on individual calls because you're walking into a space that you don't know with a stranger every single time and you are having sex with that person in some way, shape or form dangerous but extremely brave extremely. A good escort is a awesome business person because she's marketing herself consistently. She is a great salesperson because she literally felt herself or she's lying. She's also a great interest because then she's still selling act as well. Um? Efforts are attacted not bad that they had sex because all they're just about something. They're all like many societies, women or do this because having a 9 to 5 they're making twice as much money as they would if they went to a nine to five job. They get to be at home with their kids if they've had. If they've had children. And they they are interacting with people on a regular, everyday basis. They're literally service workers, so they're providing a service and they're getting paid, sometimes not so well, but they're going to pay you very well for this service. And if they're budgeting right and managing their money right, they can. It's it's very, very lucrative. There is a dark side to the industry. I'm not gonna deny that. I personally feel like escorting prostitution should be legalised. So it can be regulated and we can stop. Child tracking prostitution there can? I mean I'm not saying there won't be black kids, but that'll help cut down on the black market and in a sense. And then there can be relations as far as TV thing and all this stuff. You guys know that I'm very open about the fact that I have these in the that I've been in these situations. I do want to say that when I was working as an escort, I was the first time I had not been diagnosed with herpes. I had not. I did not know if I had it. So it's very possible that I picked up herpes from doing that, but also. The second time around I was taking suppression medication on a regular basis, so it wasn't like I was just out there like. Fucking people and putting them at risk. So right? Yeah, so so you. I think earlier before we start you said you there were like 5 main things you learned about men during this. Yes, definitely. Just one second hold on. I've had a baby moment. No, no baby. I don't want to tortilla can't go back. And watching a movie being a mom never stops. That's so true. Get off. And you know what? Being a parent stops either because we have moments as well. How about this? Dead. Do you want to say hi? OK. Go sit down and finish watching your Dory movie. I licked it off. You're good. There's no beans on your tortilla. Alright, so no guest appearance sounds so sound like no. No guest appearances no, she thought about it though and she said yeah thanks. She's very polite when she wants to be. As we all are, yes I like that caveat there. But yes, there are five specific things that I learned when I worked as an escort. And and. These five things I feel like we're the things that we can understand and realise specifically about in. And another that they can lies as to. I'm not making a justification for cheat. Let me give that disclaim right now. There is no justified reason for somebody to lie and cheat and their situation, however. These five things. Our space is to understand the why behind it. So I have 5 topics. Um, I'm going to jump into them now. If you guys don't mind so. The number one thing that I learned, well, let's start at 5 #5. Men are emotionally. Could you repeat that? Men are emotional beings, emotional beings. If not more emotional than men are. Because of society in in manhood, when a man hires an escort, he's with a total and complete stranger. He doesn't know her unless they have developed a certain, and that's kind of when the sugar daddy kicks in. Sugar Daddy aspect kicks in, but when they're first meeting. He doesn't know who she are. She's the complete and total stranger. And. There are no pretences, because you're literally about to hand somebody cash for a very intimate experience. Not super intimate, but intimate nonetheless, so. They get to relax, they don't. There's no, I don't have to be anybody. I don't have to be the doctor. I don't have to be the lawyer. I don't have to be the professional. I don't have to be the dad. I don't have to be the husband. I can drop all that and essentially be exactly who I am. Because I'm probably never going to see this woman again, ever in life. And if I do. I get to share this intimate space with her. So there's also one if if a person decides that they want to continue this situation with an escort and and have have these these encounters with her, there's there's an intimacy that is bred from that space. But men emotional beings, they will show you. Every single emotion from being stressed out being tired. To being hurt to being embarrassed. To. Being happy to celebrating. So. When men choose to engage with escorts or even choose to cheat, it's because that they get a lot. They are allowed to be emotional. Yeah, yeah, so there's a freedom in that. Yes, anonymity yes. Freedom in in in being able to engage with the stranger and just drop all those pretences and just be. Whoever they are. So you know, yeah, it speaks to the to the whole experience of not having any expectations, and I think we actually talked about this. I can't remember if it's during the last show or during the pre show post show how there is, you know when when talking about our pasts, particularly when it's with family. Family oftentimes doesn't want to let go, whereas with a total stranger, it's so easy because there is no past. Starting from that moment, this is who I am. I don't have to be anybody else. And and when you are paying someone for a service like. The stories that I heard when I would work as an escort that they would share with me. I remember my very, very very first client. Um, and that's going to bring me to another point, but I'm going to share this right now. My very, very, very first experience of working as an escort was an older gentleman. He was probably in his late 60s, early 70s and his wife had died. And he did not want to have sex with me. He just wanted to rub his Dick. In between the crack of my ass that was it just a little bit Lube rub his Dick in between the crack of my ass and that was it. That was it, but for him it was like yeah my wife has died and I. I just from time to time one I share this space. With the woman I don't need it on regular basis, but from time to time I and to hear like he's an emotional being like. I got to see Humaness working as an escort. Hmm, your humanity. So yeah, that's #5. Men are emotional game. Love that. OK, any other questions? I don't want to jump in. I want Andy to Andy. Good, be ready to go good bring on #4. OK so #4 men will settle. Men will settle for the woman that looks good on paper, so the reason I picked this one is because. There's a guy in Chicago and. I met him randomly. He was not someone that I was planning on engaging with, but. I was out with my home girl. Oh, this story. Sorry I was out with my home girl and we went to a bar. And him and his friend happened to be sitting there. And. They asked us if we wanted to buy around a shot so we were getting up to leave and they were like where are you going? We were like where we're headed to another place and he was like Oh well, let's buy you around like don't leave. And. We end up getting drunk in that night, going to his place and we talked about how he had the best to have a threesome. He actually did pay us, he didn't end up having threesome. But come to find out, like he didn't tell us that he was in a representative. Come to find out, like while I'm engaging with him, my friend is crawling around on the floor like going through the apartment. Oh OK, sorry. I'm just reliving this in my brain. It was so funny like this after that if it helps. When we walked out and she was like bitch, I was crawling around on the floor. I was in the closet. That bitch has some Jimmy Choos that was so fucking gorgeous. I was like ohe, my God, what the fuck is this happened? But he's with this woman and I asked him later. Like we exchanged numbers and we would go out to eat, meet up, sometimes, hang out. And. I asked him. I said you have a girlfriend like what are you doing. He was like she's great and we fit perfectly together on paper. But I could tell that he just wasn't happy. It was like that butt and then just kind of let awkward drop off. He settled, he settled for what looked right on paper, but he was never actually happy. I know so many men who have settled because it looked good on paper, only to wake up one morning and be like, yeah, I don't. I don't really want to be with you. And many times once they have. Once they have settled. They have kids. When they're trapped, they feel trapped or like. I have an ex he's. I hope he watches this because I like talking about him. I have an ex who is green. And he wanted to be with me and I was like, well, I can't be with you if your wife doesn't fully 100% know that I'm in an actuation. So. He's like, but like I really don't want to be with her. However, I've built this 6-7 figure business and if I divorce her I'm gonna have to start all over. I was like so is it worth the Super horrible sex and the unhappy relationship and the faking it all the time and you being miserable? Or is it worth your 7 figure business? And clearly he's still married to his wife? And I have the partner that I'm supposed to be with? So as soon, usually men will settle for what looks good on paper, and once they get into that situation, most likely they won't leave, they'll just end up. If they're, if they're not men of integrity, they will end up cheating. You know what's interesting because during this conversation that brought up a very awesome side conversation to chat about how our society teaches us to settle women and men. Both are almost tossed cell and they settled because they have to be in a relationship with this or that. But the problem I would say probably seem to be even worse with men than with women, because men still have this image that they have to project this persona that they have to maintain. And depending on which part of the culture they were raised in, it can be far worse. You know they have to settle. They must to please everybody else except themselves and and to your point, it results in you making lots of money. It works out really well for escorts and for for girls I mean look at what happened with Ashley Madison and Sugar daddies.com and seeking arrangements like there's a reason why these businesses why brothels are so profitable. There's a whole reason. Essentially it's because of exactly what you said. Society says that men have to be a certain way instead of them just being who they are and finding a woman who is willing to. Accept them for exactly who they are. So if men were open and honest about being emotional beings I I would think they wouldn't settle then if they honoured their true feelings and happiness, joy and connect you with someone instead of. Well, this is who I should be with. That that that would eliminate .4 if men decided and accepted that their masculinity was established at birth and they could be whoever the fuck they wanted to be. Life would be much easier. There's another book title for you. Boo, yeah. Your masculinity was established at birth. Yes, you were born with a Dick. You're congratulations. Go be just be whoever going to be. So my the thing that I learned is that memory shame. So. I remember it was only my second or third experience of like taking balls I met up with this guy and. He did not ejaculate normally. So he had a condition where. When he ejaculated. It didn't come out. It reverted back into his body. And. After we got done, which I thought was super awesome because there's no clean up. Yay, I'm not covered in sperm. Woohoo, I'm a Virgo. I have slight OCD. I hate that shit. So I said that almost every day. Yeah, I'm not covered in sperm, so yes. Like I was like yo, this man just needs to find a woman who has some type of OCD and hates the fucking oh I'm sticking out. I have to go get the warm towel and wipe myself off ilk and get this shit off me. OK the moments over so he was like. I have yet to meet a woman like I'm embarrassed to be with a woman because I have this condition and he carried so much shame behind that not realising that the fact that he didn't ejaculate like a normal man would make. Damn near any woman excited because she did. There was no clean up afterwards like sure baby, if you want to come on my face you surely can. You can smack it on my face. All you want to. Yes, I don't have to get into my hair. I have to get it towed. You know essentially wet outside of me like. Instead of his seeing that in that perspective, instead of seeing the positives of the fact that he had this condition, that he doesn't seem in. He carried so much shame behind that he was so embarrassed that he was not like a regular man. That he could not be in a relationship. So instead he hired escorts you go around from town to town and hire an escort. It wouldn't be on a regular basis, it would just be when he got the urge. And. His shame kept him from being great. His shame kept him from love. His shame kept him from deep intimacy with another human being. His shame kept him trapped in this box. Where he could actually be with another, he could actually be with another person. Ohhhhh, wow, you know that is that that that theme of shame. It seems to be like a universal human condition. Men and women both. Obviously this show is devoted to talking about how men experience that, but oh man, that is, we could have a whole other show on that alone. And you're saying that that that every man that that came to see you were generally sees escorts? They're carrying some level of shame? It's not this this one instance. Yes, there was a gentleman and he wasn't even. I met him within the last couple years so I don't do this anymore. I I don't. I have thought about it, but I don't do this anymore. Just saying. Good money. He was a man who experienced erectile dysfunction. And he felt shame behind that. So he was like, you know, ever since. My my wife and I, my wife died and I've tried to date a few other women, but now that I have this EV issue and I don't really know if I can connect with another woman and if I can get hard, I come really quickly. You know all these areas around shame and it's like bro, you are super intelligent and I met him because he was my Uber driver so I was drunk as shit one night and when I'm drunk. I talked to anybody. Is that what you're drinking tonight? Talking to us? Is that the real reason I am? Yes, it makes a little easier to talk about things, but also denied Valentine's and I just feel like you know, why not talk about cunnilingus, fellatio, and working as an escort like. Sometimes you need a little bit of alcohol, but my partner is actually is joined us though that he came in and he will tell you like. I literally will talk to anybody I'm drunk like I. There is no person that I don't know when I am highly intoxicated. Everybody's my best friend. I love them. Come back with me let's be buddies oh I love you and I was like lose time so. In this space, like I I'm I'm we get into this conversation like me and my Uber driver drunk off my ass. Just about people and the time and space continuum. Like I, I promise you, my conversations will run in a totally different direction, but. In that space like he was like, oh, you're so cool and I told him, you know, I wanted to start this consulting firm blah blah blah blah blah and then he would just hit me up from time to time. Like hey, I'll come pick you up, you know? Yes, I'll come pick you up and we'll talk and you know you just say like. I'm embarrassed like do I? Do I go to a massage parlour because I'm scared to connect with a woman like because I have E and I may not be able to get hurt? And if I do hard I come really and you know, like just this carrying of shame for him. And I just wanted him to know like just because you have this experience. Just because you were in this space. Doesn't mean that you're any less of a man that you're any less. Sexy like sexual intercourse is just the cherry on top of the Sunday. It's not the fucking Sunday. So yeah, men carry Shane a tonne of it. That's one time and yes, and I love it cause this again seems to be going back to five right emotional beings. Emotional being. Yeah, if you're not willing to express that chain. You end up in the back of an Uber with an escort. You enter. Well, I wasn't an escort, but yes, you can end up in the back of an Uber with an escort. But if you don't deal with the shame and being an emotional being, then you'll end up settling and end up hiring an escort or getting a subject or. Like that? You know? God so OK number two sex is transactional and sex can heal. What was that about again? I gotta hear that. Sex is transactional. And sex can heal. Yeah. Yes to both. I have experienced both. I I yes. No, is it usually one or the other or can it be both at the same time? It can be both at the same time. Come on Andy, come on just when you that term transactional just feels very dry and just you give me that and I give you this and then we leave. I know, right? But let's peel apart transactions, right? Transactions can be a bartering transaction. It can be a gift transaction. It can be a cash for service transaction. It can be a service for service transaction. It can be an exchange of words. People don't realise that exchanging words a conversation is transactional because you're giving words. I'm giving words. It's a transaction so. What people how people see sex is that. Oh well, once I have sex with a person, that transaction stops. No, you're actually having a transaction because you're exchanging pleasure for pleasure. Now if you did not get pleasure from that situation. Yo, you're losing out. Did you get a refund? You should get the fuck up like you're not fuck you no I'm not fucking anymore which I have to interject here really quick because it just reminded me of a joke which is right along these lines which is what is a four letter word ending in K that means the same as intercourse. Talk. Yes, I like that. Love that so it's transactional and it's a form of intercourse. Yes yes yes so. That transaction can be. Sex for money. Hmm. So it's all energy. If especially for my woo woo people who will see this. Yes sex in it's all energy. It's all the same thing. It's all energy. So if sex is creation, sexual energy is also creative energy and creative energy also aligns with money energy. Why can't sex energy and money energy be the same damn thing? Yeah. That just, I think that leaves us all speechless right now because we have to. It just absorb that one. So yeah, sex is transactional. It's 100% actual transactional. Either you're you're exchanging pleasure, you're exchanging pleasure for cash. You're exchanging pleasure for. A relationship you can exchange pleasure for stability, but let's think about marriage, shall we? Most people where in some type of marriage a woman knows that if she sucks her husband's Dick or fucks him on his birthday, or when she wants something she is going to get the money to get it. So what the fuck makes her different between. An escort, a prostitute. Or anybody else or a porner. There's no diff. The only difference is when he dies, she will acquire his property home that she makes it all the way to knitting divorce. In other words, Sugar Daddy, but with the paperwork that said that changes it to hell. Yeah, a committed shit happened to get tax break. Thanks Michael and a tax break exactly, so sex is always transactional and sometimes it has a tax break aside to it. Sometimes it doesn't. Yes just one second give me just a minute and I will make you another burrito. OK, alright, no, don't stand there. Go sit down and watch a movie. Thank you. OK, mommy. What transactions, exactly? There's an exchange there, right? Yes, I'll make the burrito, but that's to go down. The fact that. Exactly the sex can heal, so there there were many times where. Men would come in. And we would exchange a conversation, or I'd go meet a guy. The very last quote unquote Sugar Daddy that I had. Um? He was. He was hurt in a whole lot of places and we would talk about that hurt. And for people who are woo woo and who really understand what sex is like truly, truly understand what sex is. Sex. Is a sad. It's a healing conduit. And women being the extraordinary beings that we are not saying a man can't do this for a woman. But women, being the extraordinary beings that we are and essentially receiving. Not that you can't do this and not be a woman. But the ability to receive things. There are things that women don't understand that they can do. With their vagina. So with essentially you can be having sex with a man and heal him by sucking out and receiving all his pain. All his hurt, all his frustration. And taking that, holding it in your vagina. And if you're still having a menstrual cycle, releasing that during your middle. And I know that possibly lose some of mine and I know I possibly might have to explain that a bit deeper. I know, I know that not everybody believes that. But I've seen it for myself. I've done it. That you can literally heal a man from his heart because we all come out of a vagina. So if the vagina gave you life. Why wouldn't the vagina be able to heal you or kill you at any given time? You know, John put in here in the comments. That happens energetically too, even when goods are not exchange. Yeah. Our energy fields meet before our physical fields do so. Sure, yeah. Which is why anybody, essentially anybody can. Do this like anybody can heal another person using sex, even using their energy. And and of course, the Grammys were last night, and everybody's talking about Beyoncé and and her oshun references and all that. But in that space of honouring the woman and honouring the life Bureau with her being pregnant right now, like. There is so much. Healing that a woman can do. With her energy with. With her heart and you know that you guys know I talk about the three pussies so with her brain her heart and with her vagina, she essentially can transform the world. So she's giving birth. A woman gives birth. We all come through the vagina to be born. Some of us see section, but it's the same thing of a uterus and a vagina held all of us in cocoon and and preserved our life to get here. So that means that that very thing that preserved our life. Can not only heal us. But it can also kill us at the same time, which is why women have to be so careful. And that's a whole other topic. But yeah. So yes, and by the way, I love it when gay men fall in love with me, I just. Thank you, I do and every time I talk to you I just fall in love with you all over again. You know, my partner tells me that too. So apparently I have a gift. You do you totally do. And so diva can are all three pussies healing and receptive. Yes, the three pussies are healing and receptive. So a woman can heal them. Heal a man with her brain and her thoughts and just her conversation. Because of course, I thought you know all our words. All our actions start in our brain. She can heal them in and and or a woman. Women too. This is not a. This is just a human being thing. She can heal a person with her thoughts. She can heal a person just by loving them unconditionally. No questions asked. This is who you are and I'm going to unconditionally give you my love. That doesn't mean that I'm going to allow you into my space all the time, but I'm going to give you love. I'm going to support you and I'm going to be empathetic. Even with my boundary and then. I can heal you through pleasure. I can hear you through the replay that we're born. Cool. And and that really the the three pussy vibe really can explain how you can be feel so intimate and loved and healed with someone and not necessarily be having intercourse too. Yeah, and that's why you can be so loved and healed and give somebody payment for it. We pay coaches. Coaches use their brains and their heart. So what's wrong with using Arjin Italia for the same thing? Nothing wrong with that. Go sit down, ma'am. Hi baby, go sit down now there's something wrong. OK, be back in a minute, no trying trying this is the most interesting space of life because you go from talking about Dick and pussy still OK baby go sit down and watch story you know like it's it's the most interesting thing ever ever ever OK and this leads me to the number one thing I learned by working as an escort. Men get lonely and need love too. Amanda, that. And and and is that a surprise to some men? Yes, well. Especially when they run into somebody who is just chill like she's not like OK, just come on and get it over with which there are some women like that. But when a woman gives a man the whole experience, they don't realise how. Even if it's an hour, they jump up and they have like they feel good and they slept well the night before. And it's like, yeah, well, this woman just came in and gave her all your pussy gave you all her pussy. And then you know, like. Men don't admit when they get lonely. Men want to admit that they need someone to be a soft landing space. For them that will just hold them and love them like Mama used to do or like. Mama didn't do that they've never experienced ever in life. Hmm. Oh yeah, those are the five things that I learned working as an escort. Excellent, thank you very much for sharing them, you're welcome. Yeah, I mean some I might have guessed at some. I certainly wouldn't have so. Thank you for your research. You're welcome. I do have more tips for you guys, so I figured Valentine's Day coming up. Why not? The Vixen goddess who had worked as an escort who enjoys women and enjoys men. And has learned wonderful tip. From her partner on how to Eat pussy and put them to success herself. So this is a master's class. Yes, this is this is this is my extra stuff and I'm gonna run through these really really quickly. So I'm gonna kind of combine them together. But I'm also gonna run through these really fast. So OK. 1st, If you're going to give really great oral sex. Really, really great oral sex. You have to be in love with the Dick or the pussy like you just have to love it. If you can't love it, you cannot give really great oral sex like you have to. Damn near worship the very essence of the fact that you get to partake in this beautiful, amazing. Experience. Of oral, so it's not something you can fake. You can't just go at this well heartedly. You gotta love the Dick and you gotta love pussy like you gotta love it. You gotta worship it. Talk to it. Say wonderful things. If you don't go sit down. Thank you, talk to it and say wonderful. What's it down? Yeah, I would listen. Take it out a bit better. Insert right there. Welcome to my life. You guys just see the very inside. The Devil Logan behind the Vixen goddess. I really am. You really gave random shit. OK, so. Dick and pussy worship needs to happen. Welcome to my life. I talk about sex and at the same time I save choking children. By the way, we have another T shirt idea for you. Look in the chat. Oh gosh, what's the T shirt idea? I don't think the pussy worship needs to happen. Oh gosh, did Don come up with that? Because that sounds like something Don would say. Early dawn yeah Dick and Percy, Dick, Dick and Pussy worshipper. That could be a whole on everything so I have to give credit where credit is due. I don't know if my partner still on here but he's the one who talks about how he loves to have his Dick worship and and I worship his Dick. So this is where relationships. It all plays a part into what I do. So yeah, OK I thank him for his research. Yes, absolutely for contributing to yes he contributes to the Diva Logan experience alright? OK, so for my ladies who want to Deep Throat, this is my tip for my ladies who want to Deep Throat. You have to stick your tongue out and breathe through your nose. I could have told you that too. King I was hoping you would help me out. Totally happy on that one. I was hoping you would help me out on these Dick. The fellatio tips. I appreciate your life. Yeah no problem and we thank you for your research as well Apio. Oh Valentine's Day everyone indeed. So and I realised women don't necessarily understand, so I'm going to give you an example so you. Stick it all the way out. You want to try and touch it in with your tongue and breathe through your nose, OK? So. Here's a little tip to help you get over that gag reflex. You can practise this before you decide to put it into practise. I don't suggest you try and do this tomorrow if you were watching this tomorrow. I know like unless you have not practised the gag reflex, you don't want to throw up, which I have a very special story which I will share with you guys after we get off this call about yes so. If you take your toothbrush when you're brushing your tongue and stick your tongue all the way out and breathe through your nose and brush the back of your tongue, it will help you with your gag reflex. I've done it. Anything that I tell you today, I have personally done myself so I am giving you personal. Including in Pussy Ladies OK I like to eat pussy from time to time right? That's something there really quick as well as you're using you make sure that you are also using your tongue. I'm doing the fellatio. Make sure that you are also using the tongue fully and completely. OK, I was going to. I forgot that I've had a little bit of wine and I get really friendly, OK? Hey middle holds barred on the on this podcast, but Eva Logan uncut. Alright, so, Speaking of uncut, uncut perfect subway perfect Segway. Sensation for uncircumcised versus circumcised men? Is there another way? Which way what do you mean done? Is there another way for wet before I jump into? Uncut. I know I'm never uncut, you know I am. I've been trying to act like I have what you should live naked isn't your thing. It is and if you know what if society was would allow me to, I would walk around naked all the time. OK, just can you give me a minute. I'm almost done. Just go watch whatever is coming on next after Finding Dory. How about that? OK. See my Life OK so no there is there I try. I try to tone things down for certain people because I know me being one 100% fully myself. Can like punch people in the face and and make them very uncomfortable. So I tried to take that into account and still trying. You know, tone it down. Maybe just a little bit like if I was standing in front of my mother. Only my mother, you know, even if I'm standing next, Michelle and Barack would probably still be exact version. Yeah, I know, fucking good and having the best sex of your life right now. They're out of the world. So there are differences in tip #5. If your man is uncircumcised versus circumcised he has different sensations and there are different tips that you need to use different techniques. You need to use versus an uncut man versus a cut man. So an uncut man you actually have to do less work than you would have to do for a circumcised man because an uncircumcised man still has all the nerve endings they have not been removed with his foreskin, so. Ladies, a quick tip. If you're a man or a gentleman, if your man is uncircumcised, keep the skin pulled forward even if he's hard and just stick your tip in and lick the tip of his Dick. It works every single time it will cut your fellatio time in half and get you faster to the point of cunnilingus, or mutual fellatio or sex. If you do that, just one thing. Just lick the inside with the sensation in there. It's extra great. If he's circumcised. There is a little point underneath the little mushroom like to call it the mushroom underneath mushroom, where the skin initially attached to the. I want it that's not harmonium. It's called the. Fair enum, it starts with FI. Can't remember the exact name. Anyway I remember it either. That little space is like that's where all the nerve endings are right there. If you lick that space consistently, if you apply consistent pressure to that space, he will come faster. However, if you want to stop his orgasm when he starts and then slow it, thank you. Thank you Boo. If you Scott if you push on that space. Um, when he's about to orgasm, it will slow his orgasm down and you can take back control and take him to another level. So that's my little sensation. Anything else you'll have to pay me for to get the rest of my tips and so my last tip for fellatio is make sure that it's wet and sloppy so I know that we as ladies don't necessarily or gentlemen don't necessarily want to take like from pornography videos. It kind of, you know, not everybody's down, but they, but essentially. You want to make fellatio as wet as possible. Especially if he is a heterosexual male, because your vagina is wet, so you need to make your mouth just as wet as your vagina and so essentially what happens is and I know this happens with. Non heterosexual couples as well. When you're being fellatio a love spit can build up mouth. I don't know if that happened. You will see it hasn't happened to me, but I don't know if that happened. So you essentially almost like this rod in the back of your House of just like bit just the ladies. Just open the side of your mouth just a little bit and just let it roll on out. It's gonna feel gross as fuck. You're gonna feel a little bit slow when it happens, you just gonna be like ohhhhh, my God, I just wanna like my face there's out, grows you'll end up with spit on your nose and shit and on your chin may end up with it on your chest. But making that sensation as moist as possible moves the orgasm along so much faster, because really. We've all had a situation. I don't care if you are heterosexual or homosexual, and sexual or otherwise, where it has gotten a little bit too dry. A little bit too quick and that. There's not feel good for him, but. I'm just saying. So those are my tips for fellatio, for cunnilingus. I'm gonna rush right in here. Suck on the clitoris. I know people I know a lot of men just and women don't necessarily want to look at the clitoris as a small penis, but that's exactly what it is. And when you suck on it just right it will grow and it will elongate so. Yes, suck on the clitoris. Take your time. Just a second. You know, OK? Suck on you suck on the glitter. The best review about Finding Dory. That's what winning Dory Sarah and Bug. She's making my deodorant ask me about tortillas. Real life real this is I lost my water I'm all hot now like I was just talking about clitorises and then I had to explain to my 3 robe. Yes, OK, so take your time and enjoy the vagina. And it's it's eating pussy is is. I would say we just got a comment that I said in the chat. Oh my gosh, I can never watch Dory with the same innocence so. That's what's clitoris, clitoris and peas. Yes, best thing ever tacos and eating closely as a woman pussy who enjoys her pussy and tacos. I say that's the best night ever go with that too. OK, so take your time you didn't. Pussy is a marathon. It's not a Sprint. It is not something that it's not the same like sucking Dick. It's not like a get through it quickly. Not saying that you should move through sucking Dick quickly, but eating pussy is really truly a marathon. We have like 50 millions in nerve endings in our vagina and we want to fill them all at the same time. So take your time OK. Finding the G spot. It's real gentlemen, ladies. It's so you wanna take either your first two fingers or your two metal fingers you wanna stick your fingers into the vaginal opening. And the G spot feels different than the rest of the vagina. So the rest of the vagina is very smooth and the G spot is ribbed. It feels like a ribbed condom. You can tell the difference if you begin to put pressure on that. If you begin to, you just do this movement of the come hit there. It's easier with these two fingers versus these two fingers, but you get better stability with these two fingers versus them. If you just tell her to come here and just, you know, just coax the coax, the orgasm out of her and while sucking on the clitoris, she probably will squirt. OK, give attention to the entire vagina. The outer labia, the inner labia, the clitoris, the the folds and skin, the entire space, the entire space, the vaginal opening down below it, just everything. So everything we have nerve endings, they make us happy yet. Eating good pussy would cook breakfast in the morning. OK, um play close incision to how she's moving. Um? If she if you, if you're sucking on her clitoris and she pulls back and she jumps, that jump may be out of pain and it may be out of pleasure so so make sure that you're paying attention to that. Make sure you pay attention to whether her legs are shaking or she's pushing your head away or her body arcs in a painful type way. If you pay attention to all of that at the same time while you're giving. Oral stimulation to a woman. Because we have so many nerve endings. It can be painful. It can be pleasurable. It can be both. So also asking questions if she moans, paying attention to where her hand moves, paying attention to what she's saying. You literally have to be a multitasker. And I know that may be difficult for some people to do, but essentially that's what you. So yeah, those are my son cunnilingus, Leggio, and the five things I learned from being an escort. There you go, there you have it beautiful so and and I would invite everyone to use all the tips shared to the end. Don't necessarily take on, you know, carrying your shame and not feeling your emotions. Those aren't tips to live your life by. Exactly. You know I was going to say that this is any anybody that knows me if this tonight they learned a few more things about me and what parts of the conversation I won't go to. So yeah, that's why I smartly muted myself a lot more than normal. You wouldn't ever run with this. I have no problem being fully out there fully off my Dick, so it's been fun for sure. Like again, I diva. I love your your openness, your honesty. You're willing to live naked. Putting it all out there again, we we we appreciate it. I know you've had a lot of people here tonight. Live we have a lot of people listening to this till the end of time. You utilising your tips to better their lives. Yes and and and I'm glad to share because there's why you have a lot of people who are sex positive. You don't have a lot of people who are. Really just being honest about it like this is just what it is. Fuck you if you feel some type of way about it like this is me. This is what I enjoy and this is my life. I'm not being anybody other than who I am. This is an act. This is literally what I do and talk about every day. And. Yeah, I'm glad to share. I know that this is my gift and I've embraced it wholeheartedly and I have people in my life who support me and embrace me exactly the way that I. Awesome and so. What's the best way for people to get in touch with you if they want to work with you? Find out your other offerings like that. Well, you can find me on my personal Facebook page. Diva Logan. I don't think my profile picture is of me and it says diva means the divine one. So find me there. You can find me on the vixen goddess Steve Logan, the Vixen goddess, my. Business page on Facebook. You can find me on Instagram at Diva, the goddess. You can find me on Twitter at Viva the goddess. And I'm redoing my website my I haven't had a chance to really get in there and jump in there and really rework it, but I will be launching, relaunching my website. And also I'm doing a brand new boot camp starting tomorrow. The Vixen goddess camp. It's going to start on the 27th of this. So ladies if you are ready to. Be that vixen goddess. I'm gonna take you really fast really quickly. It will be something that will be ongoing. So yeah, now you can find me right and will people people interested in the boot camp. Is that information on Facebook? Yes, that information will be on Facebook. I will be giving all that information tomorrow, but essentially it's four weeks. We'll be covering seduction, sexuality. Making it your own and then applying it to your life. So whether you're married, whether you are single, whether you're dating, whether you just have a boyfriend. Any woman can take this. I do only have 5 spots available for this first time, but you know it will be an ongoing thing. This is not just something that I'll be doing. One awesome awesome. Well, thanks again for joining us. You know, we've we've had guests return. We've never had a guest return. It's quickly as we had your return. So I, I think you know Andy, yes, you are. You surely are. Yeah, I think you had a lot of a lot of head spinning and now we have more ways to spin heads. She's made me keep falling in love with her over and over and over again. So when a gay man falls in love with you, you just have to be like you know what I'm on to something here. Yes you are. In love with you too. Secretly I'd be trying to hide my love. I haven't shown you exactly how much in love with you I am because you know, I respect relationships and shit, but I just want to say the feeling is mutual. And he just got home too. So I had a guy quickly go close the door because like making a bunch of racket there in the in the kitchen. Well, cool again. I was recondite everyone to to take these tips to heart, put them into action, cheque out the boot camp, follow the links, and if you're listening to this podcast, this might be one you wanna watch. So cheque with the video. If you've been a little lost. Definitely, especially with the whole kid experiment. So real men feel will be live again next Tuesday, February 21st, 8:00 PM Eastern. We're gonna be joined by a good friend of Apio and mine and she's coming to us from down under and actually kicking off it. We have a series of a few Aussie guests showing up in the next few weeks, but we're going to be joined by Amanda Foy, the emotional strength trainer she promised to be as keen as mustard, so I hope that something good I'm not familiar with that it's nausea term, I'm sure so, but she's going to share the anatomy of awareness. And again, we talked about many times that kind of any change you want to make. Starts with awareness. So yes, I like that I will be paying attention. I will be tuning in for that one. Beautiful sound sexy. I bet you make anything you turn into sexy diva, but you know what? I can turn anything into a sexual experience and break it down in a sexual way, yes. We'll have to talk again offline, yes. Alright, and on that note, we'll officially say goodbye and bring an end Valentine's Day. Have a great whenever you listen to this week. Yes? Oh lick something. Eat something like whatever. Alright, have a great night. Goodnight guys bye. Thank you for listening to real men feel until next time visit realmenfeel.org. Join the real Men Field Group on Facebook and share what you thought of this show. Please give this podcast a review on iTunes, Google Play or wherever you are discovering real men feel. Reach out to us at realmenfield@gmail.com. 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