July 7, 2022

WTF Happened? Where Is Andy?

Real Men Feel #261 7/6/22 WTF Happened? Where Is Andy?

This is the first episode of Real Men Feel since October of 2021. Such a long break was not my plan. Today I attempt to explain what happened and open up about my dark night of the soul and all the underlying shame that had me withdraw from everything. I've spent months living in complete apathy. I've only recently gotten to a place of genuinely wanting that to change.

You can't help anyone who doesn't want to be helped. I did not want to be helped. I ignored everyone who offered support or even just asked if I was okay. Only in the past month have I been willing to feel better.

Part of my process is authentically sharing what I've been going through. I'm not sure that I make much sense, which is probably true for anyone in the midst of depression and an existential crisis. I apologize for vanishing on you, and I hope something resonates with you. Be well.

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Hello and welcome to real men.
Feel I'm your host author.

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Coach and healer.
Andy grant real men feel, is he

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had to remind men that they are
human beings and they have the

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right, the need and the desire
to express all of their

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emotions.
I stopped doing that.

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I stopped expressing my
emotions.

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I stopped doing this podcast.
This is my first episode since

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October 20 21.
I pretty much stopped doing

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everything last November.
I didn't just drop the ball.

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I punctured it.
I crushed it.

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I fucking destroyed the ball and
hit it.

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I didn't want it to ever be
found again.

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Today, I'm going to attempt to
share a bit about why?

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First off, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

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I let this giant gap of shows go
on and on whether this is your

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first episode or you've been
listening for years.

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You deserve better than me just
Vanishing.

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I even had some guests planned
to do last fall and I never did

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it.
I've ignored lots of messages

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from people wanting to be guests
on the show to in the past eight

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months.
I'm going to start by reading

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something I wrote on Facebook
last week.

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It was July first.
My birthday that I finally

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opened up and Shared what are we
going on?

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I considered doing this as a
video, but it felt like that

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might go even more off the rails
than writing, To everyone who

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has reached out in recent months
and been ignored.

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It is me, don't take it.
Personally, you were correct.

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And wondering if something was
wrong.

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I've been extremely withdrawn
lethargic and apathetic since

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November.
I had taken some of my deepest

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training yet with the modern
mystery school programs that I

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look forward to for years and
that I was so sure of until I

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completed them.
I was stunned at my reaction.

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I had and still having an
existential crisis, I didn't

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know what was real and what was
I wasn't sure about anything

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I've thought or done riddled
with such deep doubts.

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Not able or perhaps willing to
accept what's real.

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I realized I did not have the
faith.

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The solid belief that I saw in
my fellow students, it's very

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hard to explain, but what I did
was pull back Retreat.

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Withdraw, stop doing anything
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No podcasts, no men's group, no
meditations, no, taking

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responsibility, or care of
anything.

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I wanted to quit.
I wanted to stop being me to

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stop being here at this time.
I had some distorted plan to

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withdraw and force myself into a
corner.

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So they would have to take some
action, make some decision good

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or bad.
For eight months.

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I've just watched each day pass
going to sleep, is my favorite

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part of each day and waking up
is the worst I've gone from

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being in the best shape of my
adult life to the worst, all

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positive daily practices
abandoned I wish I could say, I

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sought help.
I can't even say I wanted to

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feel better.
I just want it to stop being I

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feel horribly ashamed that I'm
again in such a dark place.

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Did I choose to stay in it?
I hate the worry and concern.

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I create for my wife and my
mother.

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Did I make no changes?
There are plenty of things going

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on in our world that don't seem
good.

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And I've used them all to
justify my shitty mind.

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Maybe finally sharing this
signifies a shift.

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I don't mean to scare you.
I don't mean to disappoint you.

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You can't help anyone.
That doesn't want to be helped.

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My will to be helped is still in
doubt.

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If I ever created or shared
something that helped you

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awesome do.
As I say, not as I do I truly

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hope that you all treat
yourselves far better than I've

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been treating myself.
This message is not any sort of

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suicide note, it is an attempted
explanation and I suppose

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confession Love and light to
you, Andy.

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Hundreds of people responded to
that post dozens privately,

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messaged me.
It definitely was the bottoming

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out it reaching out admitting
this was what I needed and this

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is the first time that I could
say, the line, I feel horribly

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ashamed.
Without breaking down without

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being overcome with emotion and
that was something new that

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really struck me.
Shame is the original sin and

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I'm kind of amazed.
I haven't spoken about it

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before.
Perhaps this is the first time

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I'm going that deep since it is
at the bottom of the emotional

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range, emotional map, this whole
experience did feel different

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like old issues but added a new
newer level?

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Your last fall when I was still
doing shows and speaking to

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people and september/october, I
could fear feel this fear

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Rising.
Lots of shows about fear.

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But underneath that fear has
been shamed.

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In fact, I want to talk about
that human scale.

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That scale of emotions, the
scale of what's it called?

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Is from dr.
David Hawkins in his book, power

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versus Force came out in 1994.
And he had this this map of

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human emotions.
This this map of Consciousness

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and at the very peak of it is
Enlightenment, he had a scaled

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measured a scale of zero to a
thousand and seven hundred and

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above was enlightened, it just
below Enlightenment is Joy love

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reason, acceptance, just below
acceptances willingness and then

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there's neutrality kind of the
midpoint.

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And you know, when I've worked
with people coaching, people

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always like if you can't accept,
you know, your own Your Love,

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you're reaching for happiness.
She of just if he can stick

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willingness can be the breaking
point to all those higher

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emotions, those higher,
vibrations and energies, and

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just below neutrality is
courage.

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Pride anger below, anger is
desire.

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Hello, desire is fear as I
shared.

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I was a lot of fear going on in
my life last fall.

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Hello, fear is grief.
And then apathy.

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And I was really apathy and
bodied, I didn't want to do a

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thing.
I really just watch the clock

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day after day after day.
Below.

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Apathy is guilt.
And I felt guilty.

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For being in this dark hole
again and for choosing to it was

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so much of my choice.
I didn't want to be helped, I

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wanted to feel as bad as I
could.

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Okay, I I mentioned wanting to
back myself into a corner to see

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what I would do.
And Below all of those emotions.

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The very bottom emotion, we can
feel is shame.

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I was ashamed.
Of what I've done to myself.

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I was ashamed that I ignored the
people that tried to reach out

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to me.
I don't know how many dozens and

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dozens of emails, phone calls
texts that I've ignored of less

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8 months.
More recently I began responding

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to people fine nothing, what's
up, you know, just make them go

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away.
But Universe kept getting

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louder.
And there were days, you know,

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three or four people would reach
out the same day.

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That guy.
Alright, getting these new

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ideas.
Alright, I gotta break out of

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this.
I've been obsessing plotting

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hoping wishing to be dead to not
be And eventually.

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I had to bottom out.
I had to share.

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And let the plug out of the
damn, I was so withdrawn, I was

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not emotional.
I was depressed without feeling

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I felt like completely
disconnected from my body.

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Last December in a good mood.
I had bought tickets to see

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Metallica their 40th anniversary
in San Francisco, but as it got

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closer, I was like, I do you
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I only went because a friend of
mine had bought a ticket and

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he's meeting me there.
But I can still remember being

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at that show.
And thinking, if somehow I was

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given the chance, the chance of
choosing just die right now or

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see the rest of the show.
I thought I would choose death.

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And then in January, my friend
had a trip to Egypt which again

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a year ago from this time trip
of a lifetime.

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So excited.
Can't get here soon enough.

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then, as it was there, I was
hoping it would be canceled.

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I was hoping covid-19 out.
But Egypt was so new, so many

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amazing things, it kind of
forced me to present, so I

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didn't have a horrible
experience, but I, I knew I

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wasn't fully me and again, I was
so disassociated from my own

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self.
I can barely remember that trip

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at all.
Side.

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Shame for all of this.
And it's something I've never

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dug into.
I've done shows talking about

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that.
I've been sexually abused as a

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kid when I was 5 years old and I
somehow always thought being

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able to say that knowing it
happened was was all the healing

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that needed to take place but
you know, shame is so embedded

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in sexual assault victims and I,
This whole pattern, it's an old

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pattern but it's been in a
different way.

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Somehow even, even when I was
feeling my most suicidal and

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plotting and planning, I knew I
couldn't do it.

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You know, some people call the
suicide the easy way out and it

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is not fucking easy.
It is hard and it's hard because

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it's not Were Meant to do,
right?

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Life wants us to be here.
Other people want us to be here.

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I might withdraw was so deep and
full, it was like I was trying

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on being dead.
I wanted.

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To see that life went on.
I wanted to see that I could be

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ignored and forgotten easily.
And underneath all that is

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fucking shame.
I'm ashamed.

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I dropped the show.
I'm ashamed of the men's groups

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that I was leading and I just
fucking abandoned. machine that

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I created the wars of Credit the
worst holiday season of My Life.

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And I don't, I don't say this
for the sake of sympathy to be

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some kind of martyr.
I want you to know that for the

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last eight months, I often went
five days without a shower.

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I went weeks without leaving my
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I did not exercise meditate
Journal, never got a, I was

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getting monthly massages and
healings.

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Nope, none of that shit.
I didn't buy a single gift for

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the holidays.
I shut down, as much as I

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possibly could.
I want you to know that.

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In case.
You are now or ever are in a

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similar state.
You can come out of it.

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I am coming out of it.
I have felt Joy, I have felt the

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love.
I've let people, I'm willing to

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be helped, I'm willing to feel
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I couldn't say that for a long
fucking time.

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I'm willing to stop shaming
myself for repeating.

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My oldest mental habits and
patterns because they feel the

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most fucking comfortable.
Depression and suicidal thinking

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are in a way my oldest dearest
friends, but their friends that

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don't fucking help me.
They're bad friends, I wanted to

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get new friends.
Again, I tried to force myself

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into this corner.
I tried to become this caged,

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animal thinking, that I will
either jump back into life right

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away or end it.
That was a horrible, horrible

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plan.
I knew it was horrible.

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While I was thinking it, while I
was deciding to do this, I knew

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this was wrong.
Yet I persistent Now I'm willing

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to get help, I am getting help,
I've been reaching out and

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talking, I've things are in
motion.

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I'm here, doing this.
I'm going to unpack it all.

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Again, I don't recall speaking
of or even feeling or voicing

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shame before in my life.
So even though it seems and I

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judge myself that I'm covering
the same ground, this is newer

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deeper, all the healing and
growth.

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I've done is letting me
experience and be aware of and

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conscious and look at and heal
the shame, you know, this lowest

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heaviest emotion.
I've stopped in the past that

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fear and I lived in apathy until
I was willing to touch into the

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shame.
So, keep plugging on.

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In my experience suicide is not
the easy way out.

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Life wants us here.
Life wants you here.

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People in your life.
Wants you here.

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Your soul wants you here. part
of not part of my not leaving

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the house for weeks at a time, I
know is so I wouldn't be able to

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act on some of my shittiest,
plots and plans So hold my

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wishing praying, hoping and
planning.

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I knew it was pointless.
I know it wasn't gonna do it but

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that was my spiralling down.
Because it sucks.

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Until I wanted to be helped
until I was willing to feel

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better, nobody could do a
fucking thing.

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A stronger aspect of me knows.
I have to stick this out.

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Now, sure you.
I don't always like it.

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I sure every time I have the
Dark Night of the Soul, every

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time I'm in this place, I really
expected to be the last Maybe

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someday it will be.
I'm not sure what's next for the

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show.
I think I'll do some more things

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like this for a little while.
I don't know how to want to

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promise anything that I That I
can't be sure that I can deliver

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on.
You know, over the last couple

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of years, I invested a lot of
time and money into room and

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filled with business, coaches
and podcast, coaches and

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production help.
And I'm just back just to me.

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Part of feeling like a flop and
Ally part of the doubts of

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everything I was ever doing was
this was real men.

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Feel, you know, I never grew a
massive audience people.

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I've seem to assume it's much
more successful and impactful

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than it is but you know the
people that impacts I do hear

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from.
So Fuck.

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Am I saying?
No.

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I know, but even part of that,
you know, they shame in that,

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not not being huge, Part of my
doubts and existential crisis

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was, you know, is this helping
anybody?

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Am I just spreading or
encouraging weakness?

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But one thing I know for sure,
Is that being vulnerable being

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authentic, being open and honest
being myself isn't weak.

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I can own the district's.
This takes courage, this takes

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bravery for, for lack of a
better term.

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Let's take the fucking balls.
So, I'm pretty sure I will talk

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to you again.
I don't know when I'm digging

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into therapy for the first time
in I think 15 years.

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I'm willing to heal the shame to
release it so, I can rise back

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up and You know, I really did
live at love and that joy for

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long periods of time more joy
than ever thought was possible

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for me.
So, I know I can get there

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again, and I know you can get
there again or for the first

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time.
But shutting down not feeling,

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not the way, not the way.
Please let me know if this

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resonates with you at all.
Leave a comment.

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Send me a message if you're
interested in more shows like

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this me just going solo.
Until next time, be good to

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yourself, please.
Until next time, be good to

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yourself, please.
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Author / Teacher / Coach / Healer

Andy Grant is a best-selling author, speaker, Transformational Energy Coach, healer, and suicide prevention activist. As the host of the award-winning Real Men Feel podcast, he champions emotional well-being and encourages men to step out of the “emotional closet.”
Andy holds certifications in Positive Psychology, the Enwaken Coaching System, Akashic Records, Life Activation, and multiple energy healing modalities. Known as The King of Authenticity, he founded Real Men Feel in 2016, fostering a movement that redefines masculinity through openness and vulnerability.
An Initiate, Certified Healer, Teacher, and Ritual Master with the Modern Mystery School, Andy has dedicated his life to helping people in emotional pain rediscover the magnificence of life. His training includes work with renowned teachers such as Mike Dooley, Brendon Burchard, Bill Harris, Genpo Roshi, David Morelli, Margaret Lynch, Linda Howe, Tal Ben-Shahar, Karen Paolino-Correia, and Christie Marie Sheldon.